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[Baltimore_and_Ohio] Time-Saver promotional cars/ Sentinel Service cars
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James Mischke <jmischke@...>
Research is ongoing, and every additional tidbit changes the story.
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Time-Saver Blue/Orange scheme ---------------------------------------- To the best of our knowledge, the Timesaver promotional scheme (blue with and orange comet) was applied to only six or seven M-55h boxcars. Probably on an as needed basis for periodic train fairs. It was easier to paint up another one than find where the hell the previous ones were. And since the existing ones would need a fresh paint job anyway, why bother?? For a counterpoint, look one of the small photos in the 2005 or 2006 B&OHS calendar (I review these a year in advance and I cut mine up for the photos, so I get confused). It shows a Q-3 2-8-2 at North Vernon, Ind. on 1/3/58 by Soph Marty, being passed by a moving train with TWO such M-55c boxcars. Even if this is a Timesaver LCL train or block of LCL cars, or some other bias, what are the statistical chances of THAT with only six cars systemwide?? Motivation for deeper digging. Sentinel Service aluminum over blue scheme ----------------------------------------------------- To the best of our knowledge, the Sentinel Service promotional scheme (aluminum over blue) was applied to a hundred or so M-55c boxcars (466000-99 and several others) and not maintained per memo after 1958. The 500 M-55c boxcars 466000-499 were delivered in 1945 (in red paint with the earliest 13 great states lettering) and supposed to be low clearance. Probably due an oversight, the lateral running boards were not low clearance, and would be modified by the Parkersburg Subdivision tunnels if not the shops. A running board modification program was started in 1947 by Mt. Clare and involved the first 100 cars. These cars were concurrently painted in the aluminum over blue scheme, and subsequently allowed anywhere on the system. Modifications to the other 400 M-55c boxcars were authorized in due course, but that block 466100-499 would not be allowed on the Parkersburg Subdivision until all 400 cars were so modified. Several cars in this 400 car block are photographed in the aluminum over blue scheme. Authorization for additional modifications was withdrawn in 1956 when the modification became moot because the last offending tunnel was daylighted. Red B&O boxcars with slogans -------------------------------------- To be complete, there was another promotional scheme. Beginning in late1957, new and shopped boxcars were painted in a new oxide red scheme featuring a billboard "B&O " on the left and a "Time Saver Service" slogan on the right. In 1958, a "Sentinel Service Dependability" alternate logo was introduced. Two thirds of shopped cars were lettered with this alternate slogan until a fleet parity was reached. Thereafter these two slogans were applied in equal numbers until 1962. Sentinel Service ------------------- Sentinel Service was introduced in 1947 as a scheduling and car tracing premium service for carload freight, a network of teletype lines, clerks, and baling wire decades before computer networks.. It was not a train per se. Some photos show a line of aluminum over blue cars, these were dispersed as soon as the photographer put the camera away. Cars marked Sentinel Service were merely rolling billboards and could be seen anywhere. When computers came to B&O and were used in car tracing for shipper. this process became known as the 'D-O-T" system in literature, not freight car schemes. Time-Saver LCL service ------------------------------- Time-Saver Service was what the B&O called its less-than-carload (LCL) freight business after 1950. Cars marked Time Saver Service were merely rolling billboards, could be seen anywhere, and not necessarily in LCL service. Boxcars fit for LCL service (clean, mechanically sound, low clearance for systemwide service) were marked with a little "circle T "by the reporting marks,. There were far, far more cars marked with a "circle T" than actually engaged in the LCL business. B&O terminated its LCL business in 1962. Frederick Ripley wrote:
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Thomas Baker
Your reference to the blue and orange cars brings up another question: I have been told--a caveat always goes with that and for that reason I am asking--that some of the blue and orange cars had blue roofs and that others had silver roofs. If there were only six cars, well, the small number makes the story a little incredulous. If there were more, then, perhaps a variation existed. Does anyone know about this?
Tom ________________________________ From: STMFC@... on behalf of James Mischke Sent: Sat 6/10/2006 1:41 AM To: Baltimore_and_Ohio@...; Steam Era Freight Car Group Cc: Chris Barkan (home) Subject: [STMFC] Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Time-Saver promotional cars/ Sentinel Service cars Research is ongoing, and every additional tidbit changes the story. Time-Saver Blue/Orange scheme ---------------------------------------- To the best of our knowledge, the Timesaver promotional scheme (blue with and orange comet) was applied to only six or seven M-55h boxcars. Probably on an as needed basis for periodic train fairs. It was easier to paint up another one than find where the hell the previous ones were. And since the existing ones would need a fresh paint job anyway, why bother?? For a counterpoint, look one of the small photos in the 2005 or 2006 B&OHS calendar (I review these a year in advance and I cut mine up for the photos, so I get confused). It shows a Q-3 2-8-2 at North Vernon, Ind. on 1/3/58 by Soph Marty, being passed by a moving train with TWO such M-55c boxcars. Even if this is a Timesaver LCL train or block of LCL cars, or some other bias, what are the statistical chances of THAT with only six cars systemwide?? Motivation for deeper digging. Sentinel Service aluminum over blue scheme ----------------------------------------------------- To the best of our knowledge, the Sentinel Service promotional scheme (aluminum over blue) was applied to a hundred or so M-55c boxcars (466000-99 and several others) and not maintained per memo after 1958. The 500 M-55c boxcars 466000-499 were delivered in 1945 (in red paint with the earliest 13 great states lettering) and supposed to be low clearance. Probably due an oversight, the lateral running boards were not low clearance, and would be modified by the Parkersburg Subdivision tunnels if not the shops. A running board modification program was started in 1947 by Mt. Clare and involved the first 100 cars. These cars were concurrently painted in the aluminum over blue scheme, and subsequently allowed anywhere on the system. Modifications to the other 400 M-55c boxcars were authorized in due course, but that block 466100-499 would not be allowed on the Parkersburg Subdivision until all 400 cars were so modified. Several cars in this 400 car block are photographed in the aluminum over blue scheme. Authorization for additional modifications was withdrawn in 1956 when the modification became moot because the last offending tunnel was daylighted. Red B&O boxcars with slogans -------------------------------------- To be complete, there was another promotional scheme. Beginning in late1957, new and shopped boxcars were painted in a new oxide red scheme featuring a billboard "B&O " on the left and a "Time Saver Service" slogan on the right. In 1958, a "Sentinel Service Dependability" alternate logo was introduced. Two thirds of shopped cars were lettered with this alternate slogan until a fleet parity was reached. Thereafter these two slogans were applied in equal numbers until 1962. Sentinel Service ------------------- Sentinel Service was introduced in 1947 as a scheduling and car tracing premium service for carload freight, a network of teletype lines, clerks, and baling wire decades before computer networks.. It was not a train per se. Some photos show a line of aluminum over blue cars, these were dispersed as soon as the photographer put the camera away. Cars marked Sentinel Service were merely rolling billboards and could be seen anywhere. When computers came to B&O and were used in car tracing for shipper. this process became known as the 'D-O-T" system in literature, not freight car schemes. Time-Saver LCL service ------------------------------- Time-Saver Service was what the B&O called its less-than-carload (LCL) freight business after 1950. Cars marked Time Saver Service were merely rolling billboards, could be seen anywhere, and not necessarily in LCL service. Boxcars fit for LCL service (clean, mechanically sound, low clearance for systemwide service) were marked with a little "circle T "by the reporting marks,. There were far, far more cars marked with a "circle T" than actually engaged in the LCL business. B&O terminated its LCL business in 1962. Frederick Ripley wrote: List, Yahoo! Groups Links
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jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
Even amongst the six or seven blue with orange comet Time-Saver
boxcars (again, the number dearly needs documentation), there were variations. Roof paint: there is one photo of one with a blue roof, the rest seem to be painted aluminum. A subsequent photo of the blue roof boxcar shows it with an aluminum roof. Comet shape: some orange comets are thinner and pointier than others Logo lettering: some cars have "B&O" and "T-S" characters within the circular logo in different colors than other cars --- In STMFC@..., "Thomas Baker" <bakert@...> wrote: question: I have been told--a caveat always goes with that and for that reason I am asking--that some of the blue and orange cars had blue roofs and that others had silver roofs. If there were only six cars, well, the small number makes the story a little incredulous. If there were more, then, perhaps a variation existed. Does anyone know about this? cars/ Sentinel Service cars (blue with and orange comet) was applied to only six or seven M-55h boxcars.Probably on an as needed basis for periodic train fairs. It was easier to paint upanother one than find where the hell the previous ones were. And since theexisting ones would need a fresh paint job anyway, why bother??2006 B&OHS calendar (I review these a year in advance and I cut mine up for the photos,so I get confused). It shows a Q-3 2-8-2 at North Vernon, Ind. on 1/3/58 bySoph Marty, being passed by a moving train with TWO such M-55c boxcars. Evenif this is a Timesaver LCL train or block of LCL cars, or some other bias, whatare the statistical chances of THAT with only six cars systemwide??Motivation for deeper digging.scheme (aluminum over blue) was applied to a hundred or so M-55c boxcars (466000-99and several others) and not maintained per memo after 1958.paint with the earliest 13 great states lettering) and supposed to be lowclearance. Probably due an oversight, the lateral running boards were not low clearance,and would be modified by the Parkersburg Subdivision tunnels if not theshops. A running board modification program was started in 1947 by Mt. Clare andinvolved the first 100 cars. These cars were concurrently painted in the aluminumover blue scheme, and subsequently allowed anywhere on the system. Modifications tothe other 400 M-55c boxcars were authorized in due course, but that block 466100-499 would not be allowed on the Parkersburg Subdivision until all 400 cars were somodified. Several cars in this 400 car block are photographed in the aluminumover blue scheme. Authorization for additional modifications was withdrawnin 1956 when the modification became moot because the last offending tunnel wasdaylighted. in late1957, new and shopped boxcars were painted in a new oxide red schemefeaturing a billboard "B&O " on the left and a "Time Saver Service" slogan on theright. In 1958, a "Sentinel Service Dependability" alternate logo was introduced.Two thirds of shopped cars were lettered with this alternate slogan until a fleetparity was reached. Thereafter these two slogans were applied in equalnumbers until 1962. tracing premium service for carload freight, a network of teletype lines, clerks,and baling wire decades before computer networks.. It was not a train per se.Some photos show a line of aluminum over blue cars, these were dispersed as soon asthe photographer put the camera away. Cars marked Sentinel Service were merelyrolling billboards and could be seen anywhere. When computers came to B&O and wereused in car tracing for shipper. this process became known as the 'D-O-T"system in literature, not freight car schemes.(LCL) freight business after 1950. Cars marked Time Saver Service were merelyrolling billboards, could be seen anywhere, and not necessarily in LCLservice. Boxcars fit for LCL service (clean, mechanically sound, low clearance forsystemwide service) were marked with a little "circle T "by the reportingmarks,. There were far, far more cars marked with a "circle T" than actually engagedin the LCL business. B&O terminated its LCL business in 1962.total, in this emblem? Wasscheme? Timesaverthis considerably more common? comet...promotional boxcars, the seven known B&O class M-55h 10'-0" inside and 467439 - which one am I missing? Are there photos of it? Where?
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Thomas Baker
Thanks, Jim. Information from a person who knows is always appreciated.
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From: STMFC@... on behalf of jim_mischke Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 6:30 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Time-Saver promotional cars/ Sentinel Service cars Even amongst the six or seven blue with orange comet Time-Saver boxcars (again, the number dearly needs documentation), there were variations. Roof paint: there is one photo of one with a blue roof, the rest seem to be painted aluminum. A subsequent photo of the blue roof boxcar shows it with an aluminum roof. Comet shape: some orange comets are thinner and pointier than others Logo lettering: some cars have "B&O" and "T-S" characters within the circular logo in different colors than other cars --- In STMFC@..., "Thomas Baker" <bakert@...> wrote: question: I have been told--a caveat always goes with that and for that reason I am asking--that some of the blue and orange cars had blue roofs and that others had silver roofs. If there were only six cars, well, the small number makes the story a little incredulous. If there were more, then, perhaps a variation existed. Does anyone know about this? cars/ Sentinel Service cars (blue with and orange comet) was applied to only six or seven M-55h boxcars.Probably on an as needed basis for periodic train fairs. It was easier to paint upanother one than find where the hell the previous ones were. And since theexisting ones would need a fresh paint job anyway, why bother??2006 B&OHS calendar (I review these a year in advance and I cut mine up for the photos,so I get confused). It shows a Q-3 2-8-2 at North Vernon, Ind. on 1/3/58 bySoph Marty, being passed by a moving train with TWO such M-55c boxcars. Evenif this is a Timesaver LCL train or block of LCL cars, or some other bias, whatare the statistical chances of THAT with only six cars systemwide??Motivation for deeper digging.scheme (aluminum over blue) was applied to a hundred or so M-55c boxcars (466000-99and several others) and not maintained per memo after 1958.paint with the earliest 13 great states lettering) and supposed to be lowclearance. Probably due an oversight, the lateral running boards were not low clearance,and would be modified by the Parkersburg Subdivision tunnels if not theshops. A running board modification program was started in 1947 by Mt. Clare andinvolved the first 100 cars. These cars were concurrently painted in the aluminumover blue scheme, and subsequently allowed anywhere on the system. Modifications tothe other 400 M-55c boxcars were authorized in due course, but that block 466100-499 would not be allowed on the Parkersburg Subdivision until all 400 cars were somodified. Several cars in this 400 car block are photographed in the aluminumover blue scheme. Authorization for additional modifications was withdrawnin 1956 when the modification became moot because the last offending tunnel wasdaylighted. in late1957, new and shopped boxcars were painted in a new oxide red schemefeaturing a billboard "B&O " on the left and a "Time Saver Service" slogan on theright. In 1958, a "Sentinel Service Dependability" alternate logo was introduced.Two thirds of shopped cars were lettered with this alternate slogan until a fleetparity was reached. Thereafter these two slogans were applied in equalnumbers until 1962. tracing premium service for carload freight, a network of teletype lines, clerks,and baling wire decades before computer networks.. It was not a train per se.Some photos show a line of aluminum over blue cars, these were dispersed as soon asthe photographer put the camera away. Cars marked Sentinel Service were merelyrolling billboards and could be seen anywhere. When computers came to B&O and wereused in car tracing for shipper. this process became known as the 'D-O-T"system in literature, not freight car schemes.(LCL) freight business after 1950. Cars marked Time Saver Service were merelyrolling billboards, could be seen anywhere, and not necessarily in LCLservice. Boxcars fit for LCL service (clean, mechanically sound, low clearance forsystemwide service) were marked with a little "circle T "by the reportingmarks,. There were far, far more cars marked with a "circle T" than actually engagedin the LCL business. B&O terminated its LCL business in 1962.total, in this emblem? Wasscheme? Timesaverthis considerably more common? comet...promotional boxcars, the seven known B&O class M-55h 10'-0" inside and 467439 - which one am I missing? Are there photos of it? Where? Yahoo! Groups Links
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