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Walthers Gon with Bulk Containers
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John Thompson
I'm just a part-time lurker on this list, so I apologize if you've
covered this a couple of years ago. I finally got around to buying a set of 12 bulk containers to fill up a Walthers USRA 46' steel gondola (the gon and loads are all lettered D&H, and I don't know if those are correct schemes, but I'd like to know which schemes are correct). While the containers almost completely fill the width of the car, they leave about 2 scale feet of empty space along the length. What should be done in terms of spacers to fill the empty space? Where should the spacers be located -- on the ends, in the middle, between each set of containers, or what? And what should the spacers look like? Also, would the road names of the containers and the gon normally match, and if not, would all the container road names normally match each other or not? Any answers or references to old discussions would be welcome. Thanks, John Thompson (modeling 1947-56) Bellevue (Seattle) WA |
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Westerfield <westerfield@...>
John - Spacers were fixed to the floor so that the containers did not rest upon one another. These were only a couple of inches wide so they can't be modeled in HO. But you can model the spacers at the ends with styrene strip. The containers did come up short of the ends.
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Walthers put correct lettering on many of their container sets but the USRA mill gon did not carry any of the modeled containers. It's a shame because the R&D manager attended my clinic on the subject and took a handout which detailed all of the combinations of containers and cars. - Al ----- Original Message -----
From: John Thompson To: STMFC@... Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: [STMFC] Walthers Gon with Bulk Containers I'm just a part-time lurker on this list, so I apologize if you've covered this a couple of years ago. I finally got around to buying a set of 12 bulk containers to fill up a Walthers USRA 46' steel gondola (the gon and loads are all lettered D&H, and I don't know if those are correct schemes, but I'd like to know which schemes are correct). While the containers almost completely fill the width of the car, they leave about 2 scale feet of empty space along the length. What should be done in terms of spacers to fill the empty space? Where should the spacers be located -- on the ends, in the middle, between each set of containers, or what? And what should the spacers look like? Also, would the road names of the containers and the gon normally match, and if not, would all the container road names normally match each other or not? Any answers or references to old discussions would be welcome. Thanks, John Thompson (modeling 1947-56) Bellevue (Seattle) WA |
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
Al;
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Although I know some of them, I would very much like to see your handout to get better educated. Which of the Walthers containers are painted and lettered prototypically? Did you also cover coke containers? Is there a site we can go to read it? Thanks! All; Also, to put my two cents in, I have built (actually decaled would be the better term) the Westerfield Youngstown bulk container load, and also have some dozen of the Walthers individual bulk containers, and while I hate cutting and placing all those tiny decals, there is no comparison in the finished product. The Westerfield load appears far better detailed and more convincing than the Walthers containers. Take care, Elden Gatwood -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Westerfield Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:09 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Walthers Gon with Bulk Containers John - Spacers were fixed to the floor so that the containers did not rest upon one another. These were only a couple of inches wide so they can't be modeled in HO. But you can model the spacers at the ends with styrene strip. The containers did come up short of the ends. Walthers put correct lettering on many of their container sets but the USRA mill gon did not carry any of the modeled containers. It's a shame because the R&D manager attended my clinic on the subject and took a handout which detailed all of the combinations of containers and cars. - Al ----- Original Message ----- From: John Thompson To: STMFC@... Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: [STMFC] Walthers Gon with Bulk Containers I'm just a part-time lurker on this list, so I apologize if you've covered this a couple of years ago. I finally got around to buying a set of 12 bulk containers to fill up a Walthers USRA 46' steel gondola (the gon and loads are all lettered D&H, and I don't know if those are correct schemes, but I'd like to know which schemes are correct). While the containers almost completely fill the width of the car, they leave about 2 scale feet of empty space along the length. What should be done in terms of spacers to fill the empty space? Where should the spacers be located -- on the ends, in the middle, between each set of containers, or what? And what should the spacers look like? Also, would the road names of the containers and the gon normally match, and if not, would all the container road names normally match each other or not? Any answers or references to old discussions would be welcome. Thanks, John Thompson (modeling 1947-56) Bellevue (Seattle) WA Yahoo! Groups Links |
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John Thompson
Thanks to Al Westerfield for the info about the spacers between the
containers. I tried to reply yesterday, but I don't see my reply in the archives. Were the spacers only a few inches high from the floor? Were all the containers in a given gon lettered for the same roadname, and if so, was the gon also lettered for the same roadname? Were the gons always full of containers, or sometimes only partly full? Thanks again, John Thompson --- In STMFC@..., "Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote: not rest upon one another. These were only a couple of inches wide so they can't be modeled in HO. But you can model the spacers at the ends with styrene strip. The containers did come up short of the ends. the USRA mill gon did not carry any of the modeled containers. It's a shame because the R&D manager attended my clinic on the subject and took a handout which detailed all of the combinations of containers and cars. - Al |
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Westerfield <westerfield@...>
John - The spacers were just stock lumber bolted to the floor. There were specific patterns depending on the car because of capacity limitations. Some cars limited the number of containers by placing spacers so that only one container could be placed at some locations rather than two. Coke containers were another kettle of carbon altogether. These were stacked shoulder to shoulder without spacers and often not even completely upright because weight was not a problem. Bulk cement containers were almost always used in captive service so it would be unlikely to see mixed reporting marks. As this style were also used for carrying specific minerals they could not be assigned elsewhere without contamination. Coke containers could be mixed.
Cars were not always full, especially if making deliveries to several small plants from a single car. Attempts were made in such cases to balance the load. Also, cars of relatively low capacity were blocked so that it couldn't be loaded completely. In such cases the load was centered over the trucks. - Al We Made Changes Your Yahoo! Groups email is all new. Learn More Share Feedback Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group . |
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John Thompson
Thanks again to Al Westerfield for more info on bulk containers!
John Thompson --- In STMFC@..., "Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote: There were specific patterns depending on the car because of capacity limitations. Some cars limited the number of containers by placing spacers so that only one container could be placed at some locations rather than two. Coke containers were another kettle of carbon altogether. These were stacked shoulder to shoulder without spacers and often not even completely upright because weight was not a problem. Bulk cement containers were almost always used in captive service so it would be unlikely to see mixed reporting marks. As this style were also used for carrying specific minerals they could not be assigned elsewhere without contamination. Coke containers could be mixed. several small plants from a single car. Attempts were made in such cases to balance the load. Also, cars of relatively low capacity were blocked so that it couldn't be loaded completely. In such cases the load was centered over the trucks. - Al |
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