I am in the process of writing an article for "Railroad Prototype
Modeling" on the truss rod refrigerator cars owned by Fruit Growers
Express, Western Fruit Express and Burlington Refrigerator Express
and have brought together an amazing number of photographs from an
equally amazing number of diverse sources.

While their numbers were small by 1955, I do have in-service photos
of FGEX examples from 1956 and 1957 and I would like to determine
when the last cars were stricken from the FGE and WFE rosters. (BRE's
last cars were gone by 1955) My latest ORER is July 1955 but I am
betting there are folks on this list that have ORERs past that date
that might be able to help me come close to knowing when these cars
were all out of service. The following series are the ones I am
trying to trace.

FGEX
14000-14998
18100-18899
19000-10224
20000-21849

WFEX
60001-63910

To those of you with post 1955 ORERs, I would appreciate hearing from
you with reports on the totals listed, and especially if you can
report what year there are no cars.

Also, I have no photos of cars in the BREX 76800-77204 series and
would like to include such in my article. If you have a photo, or
know of a source, could you please let me know?

Please respond to bwelch@...

Thanks!
Bill Welch

Bill, I have ORER s for 10-58, 1-62, and 10-65. Here's what they show.

FGEX
14000-14998 10-58, 14409, 15557 (2 cars). 1-62, all gone
18100-18899 10-58, 18109 (1 car). 1-62, all gone.
19000-10224 10-58, all gone
20000-21849 10-58, 21202 (1 car), 21239 (1 car). 1-62, all gone

WFEX
60001-63910 10-58, 44 cars. 1-62, 60460-63036 (3 cars). 10-65, all gone.

Richard Hendrickson

Bill

Did the management of the FGX/WFX/BRX allocate class numbers to the BREX cars?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

I don't know for sure but I think they did not.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Rupert and Maureen" <gamlenz@...>
wrote:

Bill

Did the management of the FGX/WFX/BRX allocate class numbers to the

BREX

cars?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "lnbill" <bwelch@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Help w/FGE/WFE/BRE truss rod article

I am in the process of writing an article for "Railroad Prototype
Modeling" on the truss rod refrigerator cars owned by Fruit

Growers

Express, Western Fruit Express and Burlington Refrigerator Express
and have brought together an amazing number of photographs from an
equally amazing number of diverse sources.

Thanks

Rupert

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

Bill, I have ORER s for 10-58, 1-62, and 10-65. Here's what they show.

FGEX
14000-14998 10-58, 14409, 15557 (2 cars). 1-62, all gone
18100-18899 10-58, 18109 (1 car). 1-62, all gone.
19000-10224 10-58, all gone
20000-21849 10-58, 21202 (1 car), 21239 (1 car). 1-62, all gone

WFEX
60001-63910 10-58, 44 cars. 1-62, 60460-63036 (3 cars). 10-65,

all gone.

Richard Hendrickson

Bill,

This is a very late reply, but I can fill in some gaps in Richard's
data. I have ORER's for 4-59, 10-61 and 1-64.

FGEX
14000-14998 4-59; 14409 (1 car). 10-61; all gone.
18100-18899 4-59; all gone.
19000-10224 all gone by 10-58.
20000-21849 4-58; 21202, 21339 (2 cars). 10-61; all gone.

WFEX
60001-63910 4-59; (35 cars). 10-61 60460-63036 (3 cars). 1-64; all gone.

Note the two cars I found for series 20000-21849 are 21202 and 21339;
whereas Richard found #21239. It could be a typo [by the ORER or
Richard] or a different car back in-service.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Bob Witt

I have the 7/61 ORER and can report the status of all cars then was the same as in 10/61.

KL

On Sep 12, 2006, at 6:29 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

Note the two cars I found for series 20000-21849 are 21202 and 21339;
whereas Richard found #21239. It could be a typo [by the ORER or
Richard] or a different car back in-service.

I re-checked my 10/58 ORER and the typo was mine; 21339 is the number shown there.

Richard Hendrickson

I wish someone would point me to some info on their Wood side, steel underframe cars or the steelsided icebunker cars. I've seen some old film made on the Central of Georgia and the FGE cars were 85% of several trains. The rest of the cars were ART cars. I could see the herald fairly plain but, couldn't make out car numbers or data of any sort.
Don Worthy

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

Bill, I have ORER s for 10-58, 1-62, and 10-65. Here's what they show.

FGEX
14000-14998 10-58, 14409, 15557 (2 cars). 1-62, all gone
18100-18899 10-58, 18109 (1 car). 1-62, all gone.
19000-10224 10-58, all gone
20000-21849 10-58, 21202 (1 car), 21239 (1 car). 1-62, all gone

WFEX
60001-63910 10-58, 44 cars. 1-62, 60460-63036 (3 cars). 10-65,

all gone.

Richard Hendrickson

Bill,

This is a very late reply, but I can fill in some gaps in Richard's
data. I have ORER's for 4-59, 10-61 and 1-64.

FGEX
14000-14998 4-59; 14409 (1 car). 10-61; all gone.
18100-18899 4-59; all gone.
19000-10224 all gone by 10-58.
20000-21849 4-58; 21202, 21339 (2 cars). 10-61; all gone.

WFEX
60001-63910 4-59; (35 cars). 10-61 60460-63036 (3 cars). 1-64; all gone.

Note the two cars I found for series 20000-21849 are 21202 and 21339;
whereas Richard found #21239. It could be a typo [by the ORER or
Richard] or a different car back in-service.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Bob Witt






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Don Worthy wrote:

I wish someone would point me to some info on their Wood side, steel underframe cars or the steelsided icebunker cars.

Good suggestion, Don. Maybe we can all gang up on Bill Welch and persuade him to go ahead with a book <g>.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Bob Witt wrote:

20000-21849 4-58; 21202, 21339 (2 cars). 10-61; all gone.

In my reply copied above, I miss typed the date of the ORER as 4-58
rather than 4-59.

Bob Witt

Hi Don;

For starters, how about:

Fruit Growers Express Reefer: Less publicized than PFE
Mainline Modeler, January 1988 page 42 "FRANTZ, IVAN JR.", "HUNDMAN,
ROBERT L.",

WFE and FGE 40-foot wood reefers from lnterMountain models
Railmodel Journal, February 2005 page 40 "WELCH, BILL"

Western Fruit Express... Refrigerator Cars, part one
Mainline Modeler, April 1996 page 41 "CARTER, CLIVE"

Western Fruit Express... Refrigerator Cars, Conclusion
Mainline Modeler, May 1996 page 72 "CARTER, CLIVE"

all from the Kalmbach on-line magazine index.
Note that WFE used the same designs as FGE, being an affiliated company.

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:

I wish someone would point me to some info on their Wood side, steel

underframe cars or the steelsided icebunker cars. I've seen some old
film made on the Central of Georgia and the FGE cars were 85% of
several trains. The rest of the cars were ART cars. I could see the
herald fairly plain but, couldn't make out car numbers or data of any
sort.

Don Worthy

Didn't I read somewhere that he was gonna' feed us "the book" one chapter at a time?

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN

WoW...thank you Pieter. Now if this are available, I'll get them ordered.
Thank you
Don Worthy

pieter_roos <pieter_roos@...> wrote:
Hi Don;

For starters, how about:

Fruit Growers Express Reefer: Less publicized than PFE
Mainline Modeler, January 1988 page 42 "FRANTZ, IVAN JR.", "HUNDMAN,
ROBERT L.",

WFE and FGE 40-foot wood reefers from lnterMountain models
Railmodel Journal, February 2005 page 40 "WELCH, BILL"

Western Fruit Express... Refrigerator Cars, part one
Mainline Modeler, April 1996 page 41 "CARTER, CLIVE"

Western Fruit Express... Refrigerator Cars, Conclusion
Mainline Modeler, May 1996 page 72 "CARTER, CLIVE"

all from the Kalmbach on-line magazine index.
Note that WFE used the same designs as FGE, being an affiliated company.

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:

I wish someone would point me to some info on their Wood side, steel

underframe cars or the steelsided icebunker cars. I've seen some old
film made on the Central of Georgia and the FGE cars were 85% of
several trains. The rest of the cars were ART cars. I could see the
herald fairly plain but, couldn't make out car numbers or data of any
sort.

Don Worthy

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In addition:

FGE/BRE/WFE Wartime Reefers
Railway Prototype Cyclopedia 12, Bill Welch, Ed Hawkins, and Pat Wider.

BRE Signature Wood Sheathed Reefers
Prototype RR Modeling Vol. 1, Bill Welch.

"Topics planned for upcoming volumes...More FGEX/WFEX/BREX Models"
Prototype RR Modeling.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN

How do I obtain a subscription to the journal "Prototype Modeling"?

Tom

________________________________

From: STMFC@... on behalf of Frank Greene
Sent: Wed 9/13/2006 10:39 AM
To: Steam FCL@...
Subject: [STMFC] Help w/FGE/WFE/BRE truss rod article



In addition:

FGE/BRE/WFE Wartime Reefers
Railway Prototype Cyclopedia 12, Bill Welch, Ed Hawkins, and Pat Wider.

BRE Signature Wood Sheathed Reefers
Prototype RR Modeling Vol. 1, Bill Welch.

"Topics planned for upcoming volumes...More FGEX/WFEX/BREX Models"
Prototype RR Modeling.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN

Don Worthy wrote:

I wish someone would point me to some info on their Wood side, steel
underframe cars or the steelsided icebunker cars. I've seen some old
film made on the Central of Georgia and the FGE cars were 85% of
several trains. The rest of the cars were ART cars. I could see the
herald fairly plain but, couldn't make out car numbers or data of any
sort.
Don Worthy

Pieter_Roos responded:

Hi Don;

For starters, how about:

Fruit Growers Express Reefer: Less publicized than PFE
Mainline Modeler, January 1988 page 42 "FRANTZ, IVAN JR.", "HUNDMAN,
ROBERT L.",

WFE and FGE 40-foot wood reefers from lnterMountain models
Railmodel Journal, February 2005 page 40 "WELCH, BILL"

Western Fruit Express... Refrigerator Cars, part one
Mainline Modeler, April 1996 page 41 "CARTER, CLIVE"

Western Fruit Express... Refrigerator Cars, Conclusion
Mainline Modeler, May 1996 page 72 "CARTER, CLIVE"

all from the Kalmbach on-line magazine index.
Note that WFE used the same designs as FGE, being an affiliated company.

Pieter Roos









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Hi:

I don't think they publish any more. You'll have to get back issues off ebay or at swap meets.

KL

How do I obtain a subscription to the journal "Prototype Modeling"?

I think he meant Prototype Railroad Modeling. There are no
subscriptions, but individual volumes (one to date) can be purchased at
www.speedwitch.com. The plan is for the next one will be out at
Naperville.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

--- In STMFC@..., "Thomas Baker" <bakert@...> wrote:

How do I obtain a subscription to the journal "Prototype Modeling"?

Tom

________________________________

Tom, Come to the RPMs! Ted has them for sale at these meets or if

you're too cheap to spring for a couple nights hotel order online at
www.speedwitch.com
Clark Propst

It seems it will take some time and luck to get the copies of mags that have been mentioned. So would someone throw me a bone and let me know what model is correct for the "starting model"? Either wood or steel. I'll need them both. I just don't know which model to use as the base.
Thanks guys
Don Worthy

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:
>How do I obtain a subscription to the journal "Prototype Modeling"?

I think he meant Prototype Railroad Modeling. There are no
subscriptions, but individual volumes (one to date) can be purchased at
www.speedwitch.com. The plan is for the next one will be out at
Naperville.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

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