ATSF Bx-12 Extended roof painting help....


Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
 

Am getting close to finishing the Westerfield Bx-12 kit with the
extended roof. Am modeling a boxcar with a lightweight date of 3-46.
Would like to verify what I 'think'is the right color scheme for this
time period.

Roof - cement black
Wood roofwalk - Mineral Brown
Sides/doors/ends - mineral brown (sides & ends painted mineral brown
to the roofline.
Tackboards - mineral brown
Underframe & trucks - black

Thanks for the help.

btw I 'borrowed' some Legos from a box in the basement to help true up
the ends and sides. By gluing Legos to the end of the sides I ensured
I had a 90 degree angle. I also glued (acc'd) a long Lego against the
top of the interior sides for the roof to side on. Kit went together
quite easily with this interior bracing.


William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Charlie,

From a quick glance at the Painting and Lettering Guide, it appears
that your comments on paint colors are quite valid. For the 1946 date,
the printed history, in general, confirms your understanding.

That said, I am presently looking at Bx-12 photos in ATSF COLOR GUIDE
TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT, Lloyd E. Stagner, Morning Sun
Books, 1995, and there appears to be some variation on the color
scheme. There are three Bx-12s pictured; the 211673 photographed in
December, 1962; the 212861 photographed in October, 1967; and the
213481 photographed in October 1960. And this is what I can see...

Re: 211673:
Mineral Brown roof color with what appears to be a wood roof walk (a
bit hard to tell from the edge view, but my "guess"). Trucks... very
dirty, but appear to be mineral brown. Ditto for the underframe (at
least the air tank is MB).

Re: 212861:
Mineral Brown roof color with a galvanized steel roof walk. One can
make out the overspray on this element. Trucks... in the shadows and
the underframe is not visible.

Re: 213481:
Unknown roof color with a steel roof walk. Trucks... very dirty. My
guess is MB. The underframe is in the shadows.

The year that you are modeling will play a major role in determining
just what the roof finish color is. If memory of the paint/lettering
guide is correct, the black cement roof color was changed as supplies
ran out to mineral brown in the early 1950s.

A long response to say that I believe you are correct in your thinking.

I also like the Lego idea and will give it a try once this grandpa buys
a set for his granddaughter.

Cheers,
-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:

Am getting close to finishing the Westerfield Bx-12 kit with the
extended roof. Am modeling a boxcar with a lightweight date of 3-46.
Would like to verify what I 'think'is the right color scheme for this
time period.

Roof - cement black
Wood roofwalk - Mineral Brown
Sides/doors/ends - mineral brown (sides & ends painted mineral brown
to the roofline.
Tackboards - mineral brown
Underframe & trucks - black

Thanks for the help.

btw I 'borrowed' some Legos from a box in the basement to help true up
the ends and sides. By gluing Legos to the end of the sides I ensured
I had a 90 degree angle. I also glued (acc'd) a long Lego against the
top of the interior sides for the roof to side on. Kit went together
quite easily with this interior bracing.


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charles slater
 

The underframe and trucks would also be mineral brown.
Charles Slater
Bakersfield, Ca.

From: "Charlie Duckworth" <trduck@cox.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF Bx-12 Extended roof painting help....
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:03:53 -0000

Am getting close to finishing the Westerfield Bx-12 kit with the
extended roof. Am modeling a boxcar with a lightweight date of 3-46.
Would like to verify what I 'think'is the right color scheme for this
time period.

Roof - cement black
Wood roofwalk - Mineral Brown
Sides/doors/ends - mineral brown (sides & ends painted mineral brown
to the roofline.
Tackboards - mineral brown
Underframe & trucks - black

Thanks for the help.

btw I 'borrowed' some Legos from a box in the basement to help true up
the ends and sides. By gluing Legos to the end of the sides I ensured
I had a 90 degree angle. I also glued (acc'd) a long Lego against the
top of the interior sides for the roof to side on. Kit went together
quite easily with this interior bracing.




Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:

Am getting close to finishing the Westerfield Bx-12 kit with the
extended roof. Am modeling a boxcar with a lightweight date of 3-46.
Would like to verify what I 'think'is the right color scheme for this
time period.

Roof - cement black
Wood roofwalk - Mineral Brown
Sides/doors/ends - mineral brown (sides & ends painted mineral brown
to the roofline.
Tackboards - mineral brown
Underframe & trucks - black
Close but no cigar, Charlie. Underframe and trucks would have been mineral brown. Also, In 1946 the placard boards and route card boards would have been black. Note also that it wasn't until some time in 1946 that Santa Fe began renumbering Bx-12s from their original numbers to the 211050-214549 series, so it's likely that a car reweighed in 3-46 would still have had its original 126000-129499 series number.

Richard Hendrickson


Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
 

Note also that it wasn't until some time in
1946 that Santa Fe began renumbering Bx-12s from their original
numbers > to the 211050-214549 series, so it's likely that a car
reweighed in > 3-46 would still have had its original 126000-129499
series number.

Richard Hendrickson
Richard (and others) - thanks for the painting corrections. I'm
modeling the car off a prototype photo I've had for years. The car
number is 211334 and the reweigh date is CY 3-46. The repack date is
3-18-46
Charlie


Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 4, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:

Richard (and others) - thanks for the painting corrections. I'm
modeling the car off a prototype photo I've had for years. The car
number is 211334 and the reweigh date is CY 3-46. The repack date is
3-18-46
I wondered, when I saw the date, if that was the photo you were working from. That car would have been among the earliest rebuilt Bx-12s to have been repainted after the war, and one of the earliest to be renumbered. I'm planning to model the same car to run on my fall 1947 diorama.

Richard Hendrickson


Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
 

I wondered, when I saw the date, if that was the photo you were
working from. That car would have been among the earliest rebuilt Bx-
12s to have been repainted after the war, and one of the earliest to
be renumbered. I'm planning to model the same car to run on my fall
1947 diorama.
Richard Hendrickson
Richard, I'll promise not to interchange this car to you so don't have
duplicate numbers on the layout 8^) I remember working on the Mop 30+
years ago on a computer help desk we'd have to 'stop' cars with
duplicate numbers on the system and have the Car department go out and
check which one was mis-stencilled. There was a computer task that
basically allow a clerk to put the car in his/her inventory with a
verification. We had one car being moved between Atchison, KS and
Addis, LA on a regular basis in the computer so each time the clerks
did a yard check they move the car back into their yard. Finally
resolved by moving to two cars to a rip track and having the
Mechanical department resolve what car should have what
number.


charles slater
 

Remember the black car cement with the course granules mixed in did not wear off and probably did not need to be reapplied. Beginning in the early 1950's box car roofs were repainted brown along with the rest of the car. In some cases car roofs didn't get repainted,
When it comes to repainted cars, there is standards set by the ATSF but some variation do exist.
Charlie Slater

From: William Keene <wakeene@jps.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF Bx-12 Extended roof painting help....
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:31:16 -0700

Charlie,

From a quick glance at the Painting and Lettering Guide, it appears
that your comments on paint colors are quite valid. For the 1946 date,
the printed history, in general, confirms your understanding.

That said, I am presently looking at Bx-12 photos in ATSF COLOR GUIDE
TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT, Lloyd E. Stagner, Morning Sun
Books, 1995, and there appears to be some variation on the color
scheme. There are three Bx-12s pictured; the 211673 photographed in
December, 1962; the 212861 photographed in October, 1967; and the
213481 photographed in October 1960. And this is what I can see...

Re: 211673:
Mineral Brown roof color with what appears to be a wood roof walk (a
bit hard to tell from the edge view, but my "guess"). Trucks... very
dirty, but appear to be mineral brown. Ditto for the underframe (at
least the air tank is MB).

Re: 212861:
Mineral Brown roof color with a galvanized steel roof walk. One can
make out the overspray on this element. Trucks... in the shadows and
the underframe is not visible.

Re: 213481:
Unknown roof color with a steel roof walk. Trucks... very dirty. My
guess is MB. The underframe is in the shadows.

The year that you are modeling will play a major role in determining
just what the roof finish color is. If memory of the paint/lettering
guide is correct, the black cement roof color was changed as supplies
ran out to mineral brown in the early 1950s.

A long response to say that I believe you are correct in your thinking.

I also like the Lego idea and will give it a try once this grandpa buys
a set for his granddaughter.

Cheers,
-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:

Am getting close to finishing the Westerfield Bx-12 kit with the
extended roof. Am modeling a boxcar with a lightweight date of 3-46.
Would like to verify what I 'think'is the right color scheme for this
time period.

Roof - cement black
Wood roofwalk - Mineral Brown
Sides/doors/ends - mineral brown (sides & ends painted mineral brown
to the roofline.
Tackboards - mineral brown
Underframe & trucks - black

Thanks for the help.

btw I 'borrowed' some Legos from a box in the basement to help true up
the ends and sides. By gluing Legos to the end of the sides I ensured
I had a 90 degree angle. I also glued (acc'd) a long Lego against the
top of the interior sides for the roof to side on. Kit went together
quite easily with this interior bracing.