Group,
In circa 1956 Montour obtained 45 quadruple offset-side hopper cars that were originally owned by Erie. The number grew to 62 in series 100-161 by the late 1950s. Does anyone know with certainty what color these Montour cars were painted (i.e., black or freight car red)? Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Ed,

From the book "Montour RR" by Gene P. Schaeffer, there is only one entry regarding this series under Hopper Cars in the equipment summary. It states the following:

100-169 - Former Erie Railroad 70 Ton Hoppers. Built 1902. Purchased from Briggs & Turvis. No date.

Regarding the color, one has to "assume" ( a big word to get you in trouble with) from the summary regarding hopper car fleet on page 109, all were painted black with white lettering. It gives exceptions to this painting scheme to certain groups of cars and individual cars that differed. So, I would say that Black/White was the order of the day. There was a change in the reporting marks (page 129) from "M" to "MTR due to the railroad receiving bills for the Monon Railroad for car usage due to the Monon using "MON" car reporting marks. The request was made to the AAR in February 1958 and granted on March 5, 1958 with the stipulation that the road use 8" lettering and numbering on all it's equipment.

Hope that this is of some assistance.

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Ed Hawkins wrote:

Ed, Tom, I don't know specifically about the color of the group
of quad hoppers that you are questioning about, but I do know for
sure that the other hoppers that Montour owened were black. This
was clearly shown in the color W/B videos on Western Maryland
steam that have been available for years now.

Regards,

Jerry Stewart
Chicago, Ill.



--- In STMFC@..., "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Ed,

From the book "Montour RR" by Gene P. Schaeffer, there is only one
entry regarding this series under Hopper Cars in the equipment

summary.

It states the following:

100-169 - Former Erie Railroad 70 Ton Hoppers. Built 1902.

Purchased

from Briggs & Turvis. No date.

Regarding the color, one has to "assume" ( a big word to get you in
trouble with) from the summary regarding hopper car fleet on page

109,

all were painted black with white lettering. It gives exceptions

to

this painting scheme to certain groups of cars and individual cars

that

differed. So, I would say that Black/White was the order of the

day.

There was a change in the reporting marks (page 129) from "M"

to "MTR

due to the railroad receiving bills for the Monon Railroad for car

usage

due to the Monon using "MON" car reporting marks. The request was

made

to the AAR in February 1958 and granted on March 5, 1958 with the
stipulation that the road use 8" lettering and numbering on all

it's

equipment.

Hope that this is of some assistance.

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Ed Hawkins wrote:

Group,
In circa 1956 Montour obtained 45 quadruple offset-side hopper

cars

that were originally owned by Erie. The number grew to 62 in

series

100-161 by the late 1950s. Does anyone know with certainty what

color

these Montour cars were painted (i.e., black or freight car red)?

Thank

you in advance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins




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1902? I didn't realize offset quads were built that early. Anyone know
what Erie series they came from?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Ed,

From the book "Montour RR" by Gene P. Schaeffer, there is only one
entry regarding this series under Hopper Cars in the equipment

summary.

It states the following:

100-169 - Former Erie Railroad 70 Ton Hoppers. Built 1902. Purchased
from Briggs & Turvis. No date.

On Sep 12, 2006, at 12:54 PM, al_brown03 wrote:

1902? I didn't realize offset quads were built that early. Anyone know
what Erie series they came from?

Al,
The Erie quadruple offset-side hopper cars, series 39000-39799, were
built in 1930 by Standard Steel Car Co. Erie sold a bunch of them in
the mid-late 1950s with some going to Norfolk Southern and Montour.

Regarding the color, I knew that most (if not all) Montour hopper cars
were painted black. However, the photo of Montour 100 (available from
Bob's Photo) appears to be "light" and quite possibly a color other
than black.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Ed,

Later last evening, I remembered that you said that the Quads came to
the Montour in 1956. The cars and the number series that I cited from
the Montour Book were probably scrapped at an earlier date and the
number series used to renumber the Erie Quads.

I have gone back and reread the book to see if I missed the 1956
acquisition of the Erie cars, but there is no reference to them at all.
It seems that the author missed the Erie cars altogether.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Ed Hawkins wrote:

List,
Again, from Schaeffer's book, there were only two
groups of hoppers that were not black - an Alcoa
hopper that was delivered in natural aluminum, and was
not interchanged, and a group of twins that were
painted an approximation of PRR's Freight Car Color.
Everything else would be black / white.

Good luck,

Angela

Ed;
Isn't that the experimental aluminum hopper? Every other MTR hopper I've
seen was black.

Elden

Jerry Stewart wrote:
Ed, Tom, I don't know specifically about the color of the group of
quad hoppers that you are questioning about, but I do know for sure
that the other hoppers that Montour owened were black. This was clearly
shown in the color W/B videos on Western Maryland steam that have been
available for years now.

All of the Bill Price video and still shots of Moutour hoppers that I
have do show black cars. However, I have a color shot of USRA clone
twin 17144, reweigh MRR 3-56, built 2-37 from Bobs photo. It is painted
oxide red. The same photo appears on pg 113 of Gene Schaffer's Montour
book (in B&W) with the caption *Montour #17144 is one of about one
hundred Montour hoppers painted to reflect parent PRR heritage.*

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA