Interchange of Mexican freight cars?


Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Hi:

Looking through the ORER there are quite a few Mexican railroads with a sizeable number of cars. It seems to me that Canadian cars were quite freely interchanged but not those from Mexico. How extensive was the interchange of Mexican cars in the US? How should the Mexican car numbers be reflected in our car fleets?

KL


Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
Hi:

Looking through the ORER there are quite a few Mexican railroads with
a sizeable number of cars. It seems to me that Canadian cars were
quite freely interchanged but not those from Mexico. How extensive
was the interchange of Mexican cars in the US? How should the
Mexican car numbers be reflected in our car fleets?

Depends on what you mean by freely. Canadian carloads sent south represent
only 10% of all Canadian carloadings, some portion of which would be in US
cars being sent home. IMO that's not freely interchanged. OTOH if you mean
with a minimum of problems, then, yes, freely is probably the word to use.

As for Mexican cars, based on what I've read the only proper use of the word
free would be in the context of US roads not getting their good condition
cars returned. Ever. Or getting a bad order Mexican car numbered for a US
road. And trade itself was no doubt less than what was seen with Canada.

IIRC there were periodic embargo's placed against exports to Mexaco because
the cars were not being returned.

Dave Nelson


Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nelson

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
It seems to me that Canadian cars were
quite freely interchanged but not those from Mexico.
Depends on what you mean by freely. . . if you mean with a minimum of problems, then, yes, freely is probably the word to use.

----- Original Message -----

I guess I mean that just about every yard/train photo has a Canadian car visible while I don't recall ever seeing a Mexican car.

----- Original Message -----
As for Mexican cars, based on what I've read the only proper use of the word
free would be in the context of US roads not getting their good condition
cars returned. Ever. Or getting a bad order Mexican car numbered for a US
road. And trade itself was no doubt less than what was seen with Canada.

IIRC there were periodic embargo's placed against exports to Mexaco because
the cars were not being returned.
----- Original Message -----

Sooo, maybe ignoring them in the stats isn't that far off the mark. . .

KL


Eric
 

So how were car load quantities shipped to Mexico? Were the reloaded near the border into Mexican
cars or what?

Eric Petersson



Dave Nelson wrote:

"As for Mexican cars, based on what I've read the only proper use of the word free would be in the
context of US roads not getting their good condition cars returned. Ever. Or getting a bad order
Mexican car numbered for a US road. And trade itself was no doubt less than what was seen with
Canada.

IIRC there were periodic embargo's placed against exports to Mexaco because the cars were not being
returned."


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Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Kurt Laughlin wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nelson

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
I guess I mean that just about every yard/train photo has a Canadian
car visible while I don't recall ever seeing a Mexican car.
Well I think that way overstates the presence of Canadian cars, but
whatever. There are photos of Mexican cars taken at US locations (CA, TX)
so obviously some did move north of the border.

Dave Nelson


Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Eric wrote:
So how were car load quantities shipped to Mexico? Were the reloaded
near the border into Mexican cars or what?
Dunno the story. I imagine in most cases it just went south of the border
with the expectation it would come back and it probably did. Doesn't change
the facts that there were also problems.

Dave Nelson


Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Dave Nelson wrote:

Eric wrote:
So how were car load quantities shipped to Mexico? Were the reloaded
near the border into Mexican cars or what?
Dunno the story. I imagine in most cases it just went south of the border
with the expectation it would come back and it probably did. Doesn't change
the facts that there were also problems.














For UTLX's experience with cars in Mexico, please read Appendix F on pages 335-339 of Albert Carr's JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER'S SECRET WEAPON.

Tim Gilbert


cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Back in the '60s, a neighbor with whom I rode the bus, was a car agent(?) for
the Pennsy. His job was to track down missing cars. There was a group of box
cars that wound up in Mexican limbo. He was told to forget it...it was a common
problem. He claimed to have never lost a car and became obsessed. He took a
vacation in Mexico and tracked down the cars. They were on a remote unused
siding and were being lived in by a half dozen families. They were so chewed up
that he wrote them off, but they weren't lost!

CJ Riley


--- Dave Nelson <muskoka@...> wrote:

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
Hi:

Looking through the ORER there are quite a few Mexican railroads with
a sizeable number of cars. It seems to me that Canadian cars were
quite freely interchanged but not those from Mexico. How extensive
was the interchange of Mexican cars in the US? How should the
Mexican car numbers be reflected in our car fleets?

Depends on what you mean by freely. Canadian carloads sent south represent
only 10% of all Canadian carloadings, some portion of which would be in US
cars being sent home. IMO that's not freely interchanged. OTOH if you mean
with a minimum of problems, then, yes, freely is probably the word to use.

As for Mexican cars, based on what I've read the only proper use of the word
free would be in the context of US roads not getting their good condition
cars returned. Ever. Or getting a bad order Mexican car numbered for a US
road. And trade itself was no doubt less than what was seen with Canada.

IIRC there were periodic embargo's placed against exports to Mexaco because
the cars were not being returned.

Dave Nelson






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