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Monon Covered Hopper
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D. Port Jr.
Hi everyone,
I have a Athearn PS 2893 Covered Hopper lettered for the Monon. Did the Monon use them for grain loading? Thank You. Dan Port Jr. |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Dan Port Jr. wrote:
I have a Athearn PS 2893 Covered Hopper lettered for the Monon.If so, it would be unusual. The density of grain is well below the normal cargoes for a 2893 cubic foot car. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Monon cars were often used in sand service. Mont "Mr. Monon" Switzer will
know for sure. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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rgs0554
--- In STMFC@..., "D. Port Jr." <hudson464@...> wrote:
Hi Dan, The Jan '55 ORER Monon listing contains a Note F which states "Cars in series 4376 to 4390 (1958 cu ft) and 4401 to 4430 (2893 cu ft) are specially adapted for handling bulk flour. Not suitable for handling general bulk commodities. Regards, Don Smith |
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Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
Dan,
The short answeer is no. The Monon didn't begin loading grain in covered hoppers until the late 1960's and then only on a limited basis. Instead the railroad operated a number of boxcars with roof hatches. Your Athearn car respresents the Monon's first group of 3 bay covered hoppers. They were built in 12-53 by Pullman Standard and numbered C.I.L. 4401-4430. In 1953 three bay covered hoppers were pretty spcialized cars and the railroad would only have purchased them if had a pre-determined purpose which was the case. All 30 cars were equipped with vibrators to handle flour with cars 4401 - 4415 being assigned to General Mills. The flour business ultimately ended up on airslide cars and the 3 bay covered hoppers were placed in sand service assinged to Sand Brokers at Michigan City, IN. Due to the nature of the products that these cars handled I suspect they did not travel far from their midwest ownership and they could always seen on line. An interesting side note concerns the sand cars that moved between Michigan City, IN and Indianapolis, IN. As I attempted to dupicate Monon operatons and schedules in HO scale I learned that train scheduling between Michigan City branch and Indianapolis branch had the railroad moving sand cars between the two points via Monon, IN overnight. This is a good example of how model operations can assist us in learning how the prototype operated. Mont Switzer "D. Port Jr." <hudson464@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I have a Athearn PS 2893 Covered Hopper lettered for the Monon. Did the Monon use them for grain loading? Thank You. Dan Port Jr. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. |
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D. Port Jr.
Just wanted to say thank you to all for the replies I received about my
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question. It was very helpful. Mont, The car number I have 4413 has a NEW 12-55 Date. Did Athearn get the year wrong? Thanks for your help. Dan ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mont Switzer" <mhts_switzerm@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Monon Covered Hopper Dan,covered hoppers until the late 1960's and then only on a limited basis. Instead the railroad operated a number of boxcars with roof hatches. hoppers. They were built in 12-53 by Pullman Standard and numbered C.I.L. 4401-4430. railroad would only have purchased them if had a pre-determined purpose which was the case. All 30 cars were equipped with vibrators to handle flour with cars 4401 - 4415 being assigned to General Mills. covered hoppers were placed in sand service assinged to Sand Brokers at Michigan City, IN. did not travel far from their midwest ownership and they could always seen on line. Michigan City, IN and Indianapolis, IN. As I attempted to dupicate Monon operatons and schedules in HO scale I learned that train scheduling between Michigan City branch and Indianapolis branch had the railroad moving sand cars between the two points via Monon, IN overnight. This is a good example of how model operations can assist us in learning how the prototype operated.
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Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
Dan,
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Yes, the Monon got these cars in 12-53. I know Athearn worked form photos on this project and these numbers can get pretty hard to see. By the way, 4413 was originally assigned to Genral Mills. Mont Switzer "D. Port Jr." <hudson464@...> wrote: Just wanted to say thank you to all for the replies I received about my question. It was very helpful. Mont, The car number I have 4413 has a NEW 12-55 Date. Did Athearn get the year wrong? Thanks for your help. Dan ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mont Switzer" <mhts_switzerm@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Monon Covered Hopper Dan,covered hoppers until the late 1960's and then only on a limited basis. Instead the railroad operated a number of boxcars with roof hatches. hoppers. They were built in 12-53 by Pullman Standard and numbered C.I.L. 4401-4430. railroad would only have purchased them if had a pre-determined purpose which was the case. All 30 cars were equipped with vibrators to handle flour with cars 4401 - 4415 being assigned to General Mills. covered hoppers were placed in sand service assinged to Sand Brokers at Michigan City, IN. did not travel far from their midwest ownership and they could always seen on line. Michigan City, IN and Indianapolis, IN. As I attempted to dupicate Monon operatons and schedules in HO scale I learned that train scheduling between Michigan City branch and Indianapolis branch had the railroad moving sand cars between the two points via Monon, IN overnight. This is a good example of how model operations can assist us in learning how the prototype operated.
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D. Port Jr.
Hi Mont,
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Could you tell me where the General Mills plant was located? I'm always interested to learn where cars got assigned. Thanks. Dan ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mont Switzer" <mhts_switzerm@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Monon Covered Hopper Dan,photos on this project and these numbers can get pretty hard to see. By the way, 4413 was originally assigned to Genral Mills. about my question.between Michigan City branch and Indianapolis branch had the railroad moving sandexample of how model operations can assist us in learning how the prototypequestion on Yahoo! Answers.
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Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
Dan,
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I think it was Chicago, but I'm not sure. Someone else on the list might have better knowledge. Mont Switzer "D. Port Jr." <hudson464@...> wrote: Hi Mont, Could you tell me where the General Mills plant was located? I'm always interested to learn where cars got assigned. Thanks. Dan ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mont Switzer" <mhts_switzerm@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Monon Covered Hopper Dan,photos on this project and these numbers can get pretty hard to see. By the way, 4413 was originally assigned to Genral Mills. about my question.between Michigan City branch and Indianapolis branch had the railroad moving sandexample of how model operations can assist us in learning how the prototypequestion on Yahoo! Answers.
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D. Port Jr.
Thanks Mont.
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Dan ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mont Switzer" <mhts_switzerm@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Monon Covered Hopper Dan,might have better knowledge. the way, 4413 was originally assigned to Genral Mills.C.I.L.about my they4401-4430.railroad would only have purchased them if had a pre-determined purpose seendid not travel far from their midwest ownership and they could always sandon line.betweenMichigan City, IN and Indianapolis, IN. As I attempted to dupicate Monon cars between the two points via Monon, IN overnight. This is a goodexampleof how model operations can assist us in learning how the prototypequestion on Yahoo! Answers. |
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Charlie Vlk
General Mills has several plants in Chicago. I am not certain they don't have plants elsewhere as well given the diversity of their product line...
perhaps Battle Creek, MI as well???? Charlie Vlk |
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Michael Aufderheide
All:
See the Ry-Ops industry database at: http://www.opsig.org/industrydb/ It lists two in Chicago: General Mills Co Rialto Elevator, Chicago IL, BRC, Ship:Cereal, flour, grain elevator Gold Medal Foods Div General Mills Co,Chicago IL,BRC, Ship:Flour Regards, Mike Aufderheide --- In STMFC@..., Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...> wrote: list might have better knowledge.
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