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The Texas Co and The Southwestern Refining Co.
Tom Lawler <tjlawler@...>
I have a W&R 10K 3 dome tank car I am trying to figure out what to do with.
The Microscale sheet I have to decal this car has lettering for The Texas
Company and also The Southwestern Refining Co. I model 1950 and am not able
to find any info on these car markings in the ORER. I did find info on The
Texas Company in a 1930 ORER.
Two questions...first, could I letter this car using either company and run
the car in 1950? Second, if not, is there something I can letter this car
for (and get the decals) so I can use the thing and not have the prototype
cops bust me?
Thanks for any help.
Tom Lawler
The Microscale sheet I have to decal this car has lettering for The Texas
Company and also The Southwestern Refining Co. I model 1950 and am not able
to find any info on these car markings in the ORER. I did find info on The
Texas Company in a 1930 ORER.
Two questions...first, could I letter this car using either company and run
the car in 1950? Second, if not, is there something I can letter this car
for (and get the decals) so I can use the thing and not have the prototype
cops bust me?
Thanks for any help.
Tom Lawler
Richard Hendrickson
On Dec 19, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Tom Lawler wrote:
use of a W&R 3 compartment AC&F Type 7 on my 1947 diorama. I found
that the Texaco cars disappeared from the TCX entries in the ORERs in
the 1930s, either sold second hand or absorbed into the General
American roster (General American had by that time taken over ownership
of the TCX cars and was leasing them back to Texaco). Southwestern
Refining Co. had disappeared in the flurry of petroleum company mergers
and buyouts that took place in the 1920s/early 1930s. Other owners of
the cars also had disposed of them by the late 1940s, so I wasn't able
to find a single valid prototype for the late 1940s. If someone on
this list knows of one, I – like Tom Lawler – would sure like to hear
about it.,
Richard Hendrickson
I have a W&R 10K 3 dome tank car I am trying to figure out what to doSome years ago, I addressed a similar question regarding the possible
with.
The Microscale sheet I have to decal this car has lettering for The
Texas
Company and also The Southwestern Refining Co. I model 1950 and am
not able
to find any info on these car markings in the ORER. I did find info
on The
Texas Company in a 1930 ORER.
Two questions...first, could I letter this car using either company
and run
the car in 1950? Second, if not, is there something I can letter this
car
for (and get the decals) so I can use the thing and not have the
prototype
cops bust me?
use of a W&R 3 compartment AC&F Type 7 on my 1947 diorama. I found
that the Texaco cars disappeared from the TCX entries in the ORERs in
the 1930s, either sold second hand or absorbed into the General
American roster (General American had by that time taken over ownership
of the TCX cars and was leasing them back to Texaco). Southwestern
Refining Co. had disappeared in the flurry of petroleum company mergers
and buyouts that took place in the 1920s/early 1930s. Other owners of
the cars also had disposed of them by the late 1940s, so I wasn't able
to find a single valid prototype for the late 1940s. If someone on
this list knows of one, I – like Tom Lawler – would sure like to hear
about it.,
Richard Hendrickson
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
This may be a dumb answer, but wouldn't General American work? Or is there more to it than that?
Rob Kirkham
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From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
[answering]
On Dec 19, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Tom Lawler :
[wrote]
Some years ago, I addressed a similar question regarding the possible
use of a W&R 3 compartment AC&F Type 7 on my 1947 diorama. I found
that the Texaco cars disappeared from the TCX entries in the ORERs in
the 1930s, either sold second hand or absorbed into the General
American roster (General American had by that time taken over ownership
of the TCX cars and was leasing them back to Texaco). Southwestern
Refining Co. had disappeared in the flurry of petroleum company mergers
and buyouts that took place in the 1920s/early 1930s. Other owners of
the cars also had disposed of them by the late 1940s, so I wasn't able
to find a single valid prototype for the late 1940s. If someone on
this list knows of one, I � like Tom Lawler � would sure like to hear
about it.,
Richard Hendrickson
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
[answering]
On Dec 19, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Tom Lawler :
[wrote]
Some years ago, I addressed a similar question regarding the possible
use of a W&R 3 compartment AC&F Type 7 on my 1947 diorama. I found
that the Texaco cars disappeared from the TCX entries in the ORERs in
the 1930s, either sold second hand or absorbed into the General
American roster (General American had by that time taken over ownership
of the TCX cars and was leasing them back to Texaco). Southwestern
Refining Co. had disappeared in the flurry of petroleum company mergers
and buyouts that took place in the 1920s/early 1930s. Other owners of
the cars also had disposed of them by the late 1940s, so I wasn't able
to find a single valid prototype for the late 1940s. If someone on
this list knows of one, I � like Tom Lawler � would sure like to hear
about it.,
Richard Hendrickson
Richard Hendrickson
On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:
the TCX 3-compt. Type 7s, as they did (gradually) with other TCX cars
after they assumed ownership of the TCX fleet. The problem is that, by
Tom's modeling date of 1950, the cars in question were ± 40 years old,
so there's a good chance that they would have been sold or scrapped.
And there's no photographic or documentary evidence of them in GATC
service; as everyone knows whose tried it, trying to track down
individual cars or groups of cars in GATC's notably uninformative ORER
listings is all but impossible. So painting and lettering them as GATX
cars would be highly speculative, and assigning a car number would be a
complete crap-shoot. For some modelers, of course, this would be no
problem, but speculative fiction is not what this list is about.
Richard Hendrickson
This may be a dumb answer, but wouldn't General American work? Or is
there
more to it than that?
Rob Kirkham
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From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
On Dec 19, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Tom Lawler :Certainly not a dumb answer, since it's possible that GATC took over
[wrote]
Some years ago, I addressed a similar question regarding the possible
use of a W&R 3 compartment AC&F Type 7 on my 1947 diorama. I found
that the Texaco cars disappeared from the TCX entries in the ORERs in
the 1930s, either sold second hand or absorbed into the General
American roster (General American had by that time taken over ownership
of the TCX cars and was leasing them back to Texaco). Southwestern
Refining Co. had disappeared in the flurry of petroleum company mergers
and buyouts that took place in the 1920s/early 1930s. Other owners of
the cars also had disposed of them by the late 1940s, so I wasn't able
to find a single valid prototype for the late 1940s. If someone on
this list knows of one, I – like Tom Lawler – would sure like to hear
about it.
the TCX 3-compt. Type 7s, as they did (gradually) with other TCX cars
after they assumed ownership of the TCX fleet. The problem is that, by
Tom's modeling date of 1950, the cars in question were ± 40 years old,
so there's a good chance that they would have been sold or scrapped.
And there's no photographic or documentary evidence of them in GATC
service; as everyone knows whose tried it, trying to track down
individual cars or groups of cars in GATC's notably uninformative ORER
listings is all but impossible. So painting and lettering them as GATX
cars would be highly speculative, and assigning a car number would be a
complete crap-shoot. For some modelers, of course, this would be no
problem, but speculative fiction is not what this list is about.
Richard Hendrickson
Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "DR Stinson" <dano@...> wrote:
70. It was originally the "fifty year rule" with the number ratcheting
down on year each year until it reached forty years after ten years.
Looong after the steam era, in fact, all the FRA meddling postdates
the steam era.
Dennis
by theThe problem is that, by Tom's modeling date of 1950, the cars inRichard -
question were ± 40 years old, so there's a good chance that they
would have been sold or scrapped.
When dod the 40 year rule go into effect? Was this a rule put forth
industry or the government?FRA, which means it post dates the formation of that agency in 1969 or
Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana
70. It was originally the "fifty year rule" with the number ratcheting
down on year each year until it reached forty years after ten years.
Looong after the steam era, in fact, all the FRA meddling postdates
the steam era.
Dennis
Richard Hendrickson
On Dec 22, 2006, at 8:51 AM, DR Stinson wrote:
else on the list can probably supply the correct date. And IIRC, it
was an ICC/FRA mandate, not an industry one. The fact remains that
original owners tended to retire cars that were that old or sell them
second-hand as their capital value decreased and their maintenance
costs increased.
Richard Hendrickson
I don't know, Dan; it wasn't in effect in the 1940s or '50s. SomeoneThe problem is that, by Tom's modeling date of 1950, the cars inRichard -
question were ± 40 years old, so there's a good chance that they
would have been sold or scrapped.
When dod the 40 year rule go into effect? Was this a rule put forth by
the
industry or the government?
else on the list can probably supply the correct date. And IIRC, it
was an ICC/FRA mandate, not an industry one. The fact remains that
original owners tended to retire cars that were that old or sell them
second-hand as their capital value decreased and their maintenance
costs increased.
Richard Hendrickson
Does anyone out there have pictures of Raised Roof walk tank cars to
share?
Please contact me off the list.
Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com
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Richard Hendrickson
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To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The Texas Co and The Southwestern Refining Co.
On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:
the TCX 3-compt. Type 7s, as they did (gradually) with other TCX cars
after they assumed ownership of the TCX fleet. The problem is that, by
Tom's modeling date of 1950, the cars in question were ± 40 years old,
so there's a good chance that they would have been sold or scrapped.
And there's no photographic or documentary evidence of them in GATC
service; as everyone knows whose tried it, trying to track down
individual cars or groups of cars in GATC's notably uninformative ORER
listings is all but impossible. So painting and lettering them as GATX
cars would be highly speculative, and assigning a car number would be a
complete crap-shoot. For some modelers, of course, this would be no
problem, but speculative fiction is not what this list is about.
Richard Hendrickson
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The Texas Co and The Southwestern Refining Co.
On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:
This may be a dumb answer, but wouldn't General American work? Or is
there
more to it than that?
Rob Kirkham
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From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
On Dec 19, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Tom Lawler :ownership
[wrote]
Some years ago, I addressed a similar question regarding the possible
use of a W&R 3 compartment AC&F Type 7 on my 1947 diorama. I found
that the Texaco cars disappeared from the TCX entries in the ORERs in
the 1930s, either sold second hand or absorbed into the General
American roster (General American had by that time taken over
of the TCX cars and was leasing them back to Texaco). Southwesternmergers
Refining Co. had disappeared in the flurry of petroleum company
and buyouts that took place in the 1920s/early 1930s. Other owners ofCertainly not a dumb answer, since it's possible that GATC took over
the cars also had disposed of them by the late 1940s, so I wasn't able
to find a single valid prototype for the late 1940s. If someone on
this list knows of one, I – like Tom Lawler – would sure like to hear
about it.
the TCX 3-compt. Type 7s, as they did (gradually) with other TCX cars
after they assumed ownership of the TCX fleet. The problem is that, by
Tom's modeling date of 1950, the cars in question were ± 40 years old,
so there's a good chance that they would have been sold or scrapped.
And there's no photographic or documentary evidence of them in GATC
service; as everyone knows whose tried it, trying to track down
individual cars or groups of cars in GATC's notably uninformative ORER
listings is all but impossible. So painting and lettering them as GATX
cars would be highly speculative, and assigning a car number would be a
complete crap-shoot. For some modelers, of course, this would be no
problem, but speculative fiction is not what this list is about.
Richard Hendrickson
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The NMRA library has some Pressed Steel builder's photos I sent them.
CJ Riley
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--- Richard Yoder <oscale48@...> wrote:
Does anyone out there have pictures of Raised Roof walk tank cars to
share?
Please contact me off the list.
Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The Texas Co and The Southwestern Refining Co.
On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:This may be a dumb answer, but wouldn't General American work? Or is
there
more to it than that?
Rob Kirkham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>On Dec 19, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Tom Lawler :ownership
[wrote]
Some years ago, I addressed a similar question regarding the possible
use of a W&R 3 compartment AC&F Type 7 on my 1947 diorama. I found
that the Texaco cars disappeared from the TCX entries in the ORERs in
the 1930s, either sold second hand or absorbed into the General
American roster (General American had by that time taken overof the TCX cars and was leasing them back to Texaco). Southwesternmergers
Refining Co. had disappeared in the flurry of petroleum companyand buyouts that took place in the 1920s/early 1930s. Other owners ofCertainly not a dumb answer, since it's possible that GATC took over
the cars also had disposed of them by the late 1940s, so I wasn't able
to find a single valid prototype for the late 1940s. If someone on
this list knows of one, I � like Tom Lawler � would sure like to hear
about it.
the TCX 3-compt. Type 7s, as they did (gradually) with other TCX cars
after they assumed ownership of the TCX fleet. The problem is that, by
Tom's modeling date of 1950, the cars in question were � 40 years old,
so there's a good chance that they would have been sold or scrapped.
And there's no photographic or documentary evidence of them in GATC
service; as everyone knows whose tried it, trying to track down
individual cars or groups of cars in GATC's notably uninformative ORER
listings is all but impossible. So painting and lettering them as GATX
cars would be highly speculative, and assigning a car number would be a
complete crap-shoot. For some modelers, of course, this would be no
problem, but speculative fiction is not what this list is about.
Richard Hendrickson
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