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The DS/SS split - help needed

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

Ever since finishing the transcription of box and auto records from
the July, 1950, ORER into an Excel file and making it available to
you all on the STEFA download site, I have been adding auxiliary
information that will allow us to determine the breakdown of car
types into double sheathed, single sheathed, steel, and other
categories and subcategories.

So far I have about 96% of the over 700,000 cars classified, with the
following results:

U.S. box, auto, and ventilator cars in interchange service, July,
1950 ORER:
Type, %, number
DS 9.0% 64,653
SS 20.5% 146,557
steel 66.0% 471,732
Other 0.6% 4,538
Unknown 3.9% 27,649
Total 100% 715,129

In words, with over 96% of the fleet classified, about 2/3 are steel,
and 1/3 are SS or DS; the SS/DS split is about 2/3 SS, 1/3 DS.

There is considerable variation among the railroads, however. For
example:

NYC: DS=430, SS=381, steel=63295, unknown=45
NYC: (.7%, .6%, 98.7%, .1%)
FRISCO: DS=526, SS=8835, steel=3078, unknown=708
FRISCO: (4.0%, 67.2%, 23.4%, 5.4%)
SOUTHERN: DS=7248, SS=0, steel=17946, unknown=153
SOUTHERN: (28.6%, 0.0%, 70.8%, .6%)
GN: DS=14840, SS=2998, steel=2499, plywood=1963, unknown=0
GN: (66.5%, 13.4%, 11.2%, 8.8%, 0.0%)

Right now, the "other" category consists mostly of the GN's plywood
sheathed cars, the ATSF's "panel" cars, and a few aluminum cars.
Also, there is one brick car, ATSF 40024, AAR mechanical designation
XM, IL = 39'6", IH = 7'3", CAPY = 2373 cu. ft., 45000 lb., no doors.

I consulted many different sources in order to compile this
information, including books, magazines, manufacturers' web sites,
the NEB&W database (John Nehrich's summaries), and the archives of
this site. Unfortunately, my copies of two of the most important
sources (Kline and Culotta, The Postwar Freight Car Fleet;
Hendrickson, Focus on Freight Cars, Vol. 1) haven't arrived yet. I
think I have reached a point of diminishing returns, however - it now
often takes one or two hours of digging to classify just a few
hundred more cars. Therefore, I would like to enlist the aid of the
members of this list.

I will be most appreciative if you can provide me information on the
following car series. Most important is whether the cars are DS, SS,
steel (or steel rebuild), or "other" (if "other", what?). If in
addition you can provide the date when built (and rebuilt, if
appropriate), that would be great! Further information such as
class, sub-category (e.g., "Fowler" or "Ribside") would be nice, but
is not necessary. Of course, references to photographs would be
wonderful. The classification should reflect the status of the
series as of July, 1950. If these cars can be classified, the number
of unknowns will be cut in half and over 98% of the fleet will be
categorized.

Thanks in advance!

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, Door, Capy, Qty
ATSF, XAR, Auto, 6751-6999, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 238
ATSF, XM, Box, 8500-8999, 50'6", 15'6", 100000, 497
ATSF, XMR, AL, 9200-9455, 50'6", 15'0", 72000, 256
ATSF, XMR, AL, 63000-63254, 40'6", 12'6", 80000, 249
ATSF, XM, Box, 63751-64161, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 210
CNW, XM, Box, 63000-64898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 515
CNW, XM, Box, 74900-76898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 971
CNW, XM, Box, 111000-111998, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 482
CNW, XMR, Auto, 54000-54798, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 393
CG, XM, Box, 40300-40699, 39'10", 6'0", 80000, 351
GM&O, XM, Box, 20000-20249, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 245
GTW, XAP, Auto, 572100-572399, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 242
GTW, XM, Box, 575000-575999, 40'6", 12'0", 90000, 468
GTW, XMR, Auto, 586500-586999, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 301
IC, XM, Box, 15500-15796, 40'2", 6'0", 80000, 291
IC, XM, Box, 25000-25499, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 258
IC, XM, Box, 25500-25999, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 264
IC, XM, Box, 37500-37993, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 486
IC, XM, Box, 40250-40499, 50'5", 12'0", 75000, 242
L&N, XM, Box, 13500-13999, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 244
L&N, XM, Box, 48700-48949, 40'6", 10'0", 100000, 243
MEC, XM, Box, 35301-35650, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 243
MILW, XAR, Auto, 9000-9499, 40'6", 15'0", 80000, 498
MILW, XM, Box, 15500-15749, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 248
MP, XM, Box, 44000-44410, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 408
MP, XM, Box, 44500-44788, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 281
MP, XM, Box, 45251-45494, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 239
MP, XAR, Auto, 75280-75479, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 200
MP, XAR, Auto, 75480-75999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 338
MP, XAR, Auto, 76150-76999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 308
MP, XAR, Auto, 88500-88803, 50'6", 14'7", 100000, 302
SB&M, XM, Box, 20051-20550, 40'0", 6'0", 80000, 384
N&W, XM, Box, 40000-40603, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 594
PM , XM, Box, 88000-88349, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 229
RI, XMR, Auto, 159250-159899, 40'6", 14'6", 80000, 361
RI, XM, Box, 160250-160599, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 334
SOO, XM, Box, 175000-175498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 246
SOO, XM, Box, 175900-176498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 297
SOO, XM, Box, 44500-45098, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 300
SOO, XM, Box, 136400-136798, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 200
SP, XM, Box, 66175-66674, 40'6", 10'7", 100000, 428
T&P, XM, Box, 30000-30316, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 312
James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Larry,

Regarding the N&W Class BK boxcars, N&W 40000-40603, these were USRA single sheathed boxcars, originally built by Pullman Co. in 1919 and originally in number series 120000-120799; sometime in the 1930s, I believe, their roofs were replaced with Cimax Radial Roofs; in 1945-47, the survivors of the original 800 cars underwent heavy repairs in Roanoke Shops and they were renumbered into the 40000-40603 series.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
www.pocahontasmodels.com

----- Original Message -----
From: laramielarry
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] The DS/SS split - help needed


Hi Folks

Ever since finishing the transcription of box and auto records from
the July, 1950, ORER into an Excel file and making it available to
you all on the STEFA download site, I have been adding auxiliary
information that will allow us to determine the breakdown of car
types into double sheathed, single sheathed, steel, and other
categories and subcategories.

So far I have about 96% of the over 700,000 cars classified, with the
following results:

U.S. box, auto, and ventilator cars in interchange service, July,
1950 ORER:
Type, %, number
DS 9.0% 64,653
SS 20.5% 146,557
steel 66.0% 471,732
Other 0.6% 4,538
Unknown 3.9% 27,649
Total 100% 715,129

In words, with over 96% of the fleet classified, about 2/3 are steel,
and 1/3 are SS or DS; the SS/DS split is about 2/3 SS, 1/3 DS.

There is considerable variation among the railroads, however. For
example:

NYC: DS=430, SS=381, steel=63295, unknown=45
NYC: (.7%, .6%, 98.7%, .1%)
FRISCO: DS=526, SS=8835, steel=3078, unknown=708
FRISCO: (4.0%, 67.2%, 23.4%, 5.4%)
SOUTHERN: DS=7248, SS=0, steel=17946, unknown=153
SOUTHERN: (28.6%, 0.0%, 70.8%, .6%)
GN: DS=14840, SS=2998, steel=2499, plywood=1963, unknown=0
GN: (66.5%, 13.4%, 11.2%, 8.8%, 0.0%)

Right now, the "other" category consists mostly of the GN's plywood
sheathed cars, the ATSF's "panel" cars, and a few aluminum cars.
Also, there is one brick car, ATSF 40024, AAR mechanical designation
XM, IL = 39'6", IH = 7'3", CAPY = 2373 cu. ft., 45000 lb., no doors.

I consulted many different sources in order to compile this
information, including books, magazines, manufacturers' web sites,
the NEB&W database (John Nehrich's summaries), and the archives of
this site. Unfortunately, my copies of two of the most important
sources (Kline and Culotta, The Postwar Freight Car Fleet;
Hendrickson, Focus on Freight Cars, Vol. 1) haven't arrived yet. I
think I have reached a point of diminishing returns, however - it now
often takes one or two hours of digging to classify just a few
hundred more cars. Therefore, I would like to enlist the aid of the
members of this list.

I will be most appreciative if you can provide me information on the
following car series. Most important is whether the cars are DS, SS,
steel (or steel rebuild), or "other" (if "other", what?). If in
addition you can provide the date when built (and rebuilt, if
appropriate), that would be great! Further information such as
class, sub-category (e.g., "Fowler" or "Ribside") would be nice, but
is not necessary. Of course, references to photographs would be
wonderful. The classification should reflect the status of the
series as of July, 1950. If these cars can be classified, the number
of unknowns will be cut in half and over 98% of the fleet will be
categorized.

Thanks in advance!

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, Door, Capy, Qty
ATSF, XAR, Auto, 6751-6999, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 238
ATSF, XM, Box, 8500-8999, 50'6", 15'6", 100000, 497
ATSF, XMR, AL, 9200-9455, 50'6", 15'0", 72000, 256
ATSF, XMR, AL, 63000-63254, 40'6", 12'6", 80000, 249
ATSF, XM, Box, 63751-64161, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 210
CNW, XM, Box, 63000-64898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 515
CNW, XM, Box, 74900-76898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 971
CNW, XM, Box, 111000-111998, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 482
CNW, XMR, Auto, 54000-54798, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 393
CG, XM, Box, 40300-40699, 39'10", 6'0", 80000, 351
GM&O, XM, Box, 20000-20249, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 245
GTW, XAP, Auto, 572100-572399, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 242
GTW, XM, Box, 575000-575999, 40'6", 12'0", 90000, 468
GTW, XMR, Auto, 586500-586999, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 301
IC, XM, Box, 15500-15796, 40'2", 6'0", 80000, 291
IC, XM, Box, 25000-25499, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 258
IC, XM, Box, 25500-25999, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 264
IC, XM, Box, 37500-37993, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 486
IC, XM, Box, 40250-40499, 50'5", 12'0", 75000, 242
L&N, XM, Box, 13500-13999, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 244
L&N, XM, Box, 48700-48949, 40'6", 10'0", 100000, 243
MEC, XM, Box, 35301-35650, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 243
MILW, XAR, Auto, 9000-9499, 40'6", 15'0", 80000, 498
MILW, XM, Box, 15500-15749, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 248
MP, XM, Box, 44000-44410, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 408
MP, XM, Box, 44500-44788, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 281
MP, XM, Box, 45251-45494, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 239
MP, XAR, Auto, 75280-75479, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 200
MP, XAR, Auto, 75480-75999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 338
MP, XAR, Auto, 76150-76999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 308
MP, XAR, Auto, 88500-88803, 50'6", 14'7", 100000, 302
SB&M, XM, Box, 20051-20550, 40'0", 6'0", 80000, 384
N&W, XM, Box, 40000-40603, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 594
PM , XM, Box, 88000-88349, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 229
RI, XMR, Auto, 159250-159899, 40'6", 14'6", 80000, 361
RI, XM, Box, 160250-160599, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 334
SOO, XM, Box, 175000-175498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 246
SOO, XM, Box, 175900-176498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 297
SOO, XM, Box, 44500-45098, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 300
SOO, XM, Box, 136400-136798, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 200
SP, XM, Box, 66175-66674, 40'6", 10'7", 100000, 428
T&P, XM, Box, 30000-30316, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 312
al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@..., "laramielarry" <ostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

Ever since finishing the transcription of box and auto records from
the July, 1950, ORER into an Excel file and making it available to
you all on the STEFA download site, I have been adding auxiliary
information that will allow us to determine the breakdown of car
types into double sheathed, single sheathed, steel, and other
categories and subcategories.

So far I have about 96% of the over 700,000 cars classified, with
the
following results:

U.S. box, auto, and ventilator cars in interchange service, July,
1950 ORER:
Type, %, number
DS 9.0% 64,653
SS 20.5% 146,557
steel 66.0% 471,732
Other 0.6% 4,538
Unknown 3.9% 27,649
Total 100% 715,129

In words, with over 96% of the fleet classified, about 2/3 are
steel,
and 1/3 are SS or DS; the SS/DS split is about 2/3 SS, 1/3 DS.

There is considerable variation among the railroads, however. For
example:

NYC: DS=430, SS=381, steel=63295, unknown=45
NYC: (.7%, .6%, 98.7%, .1%)
FRISCO: DS=526, SS=8835, steel=3078, unknown=708
FRISCO: (4.0%, 67.2%, 23.4%, 5.4%)
SOUTHERN: DS=7248, SS=0, steel=17946, unknown=153
SOUTHERN: (28.6%, 0.0%, 70.8%, .6%)
GN: DS=14840, SS=2998, steel=2499, plywood=1963, unknown=0
GN: (66.5%, 13.4%, 11.2%, 8.8%, 0.0%)

Right now, the "other" category consists mostly of the GN's plywood
sheathed cars, the ATSF's "panel" cars, and a few aluminum cars.
Also, there is one brick car, ATSF 40024, AAR mechanical
designation
XM, IL = 39'6", IH = 7'3", CAPY = 2373 cu. ft., 45000 lb., no doors.

I consulted many different sources in order to compile this
information, including books, magazines, manufacturers' web sites,
the NEB&W database (John Nehrich's summaries), and the archives of
this site. Unfortunately, my copies of two of the most important
sources (Kline and Culotta, The Postwar Freight Car Fleet;
Hendrickson, Focus on Freight Cars, Vol. 1) haven't arrived yet. I
think I have reached a point of diminishing returns, however - it
now
often takes one or two hours of digging to classify just a few
hundred more cars. Therefore, I would like to enlist the aid of the
members of this list.

I will be most appreciative if you can provide me information on
the
following car series. Most important is whether the cars are DS,
SS,
steel (or steel rebuild), or "other" (if "other", what?). If in
addition you can provide the date when built (and rebuilt, if
appropriate), that would be great! Further information such as
class, sub-category (e.g., "Fowler" or "Ribside") would be nice,
but
is not necessary. Of course, references to photographs would be
wonderful. The classification should reflect the status of the
series as of July, 1950. If these cars can be classified, the
number
of unknowns will be cut in half and over 98% of the fleet will be
categorized.

Thanks in advance!

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, Door, Capy, Qty
ATSF, XAR, Auto, 6751-6999, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 238
ATSF, XM, Box, 8500-8999, 50'6", 15'6", 100000, 497
ATSF, XMR, AL, 9200-9455, 50'6", 15'0", 72000, 256
ATSF, XMR, AL, 63000-63254, 40'6", 12'6", 80000, 249
Steel rebuild '36 from DS blt 1910-4. MRG 3/93 pp44-49.

ATSF, XM, Box, 63751-64161, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 210
CNW, XM, Box, 63000-64898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 515
CNW, XM, Box, 74900-76898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 971
CNW, XM, Box, 111000-111998, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 482
CNW, XMR, Auto, 54000-54798, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 393
CG, XM, Box, 40300-40699, 39'10", 6'0", 80000, 351
GM&O, XM, Box, 20000-20249, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 245
SS variant of '37 AAR design, blt '37 for GM&N.
TS CYC #17 p118, MRG 6/92 pp58-62.

GTW, XAP, Auto, 572100-572399, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 242
SS blt '27 as DD, rblt single-door '38-47. RMJ 1/01 pp57-61.

GTW, XM, Box, 575000-575999, 40'6", 12'0", 90000, 468
SS blt '27. CLSC FC v7 p26, FFC v1 pp22-23.
Originally 10' doors, rblt early 30s (some 12' DD, some single-door)

GTW, XMR, Auto, 586500-586999, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 301
SS, rblt '45-48 from older cars. MM 3/84 p72, RMJ 2/01 pp50-56.

IC, XM, Box, 15500-15796, 40'2", 6'0", 80000, 291
IC, XM, Box, 25000-25499, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 258
IC, XM, Box, 25500-25999, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 264
SS blt '23 as DD, rblt '34, to single-door '43; RMC 11/04 pp72-77.
More later.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

IC, XM, Box, 37500-37993, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 486
IC, XM, Box, 40250-40499, 50'5", 12'0", 75000, 242
L&N, XM, Box, 13500-13999, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 244
L&N, XM, Box, 48700-48949, 40'6", 10'0", 100000, 243
MEC, XM, Box, 35301-35650, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 243
MILW, XAR, Auto, 9000-9499, 40'6", 15'0", 80000, 498
MILW, XM, Box, 15500-15749, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 248
MP, XM, Box, 44000-44410, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 408
MP, XM, Box, 44500-44788, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 281
MP, XM, Box, 45251-45494, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 239
MP, XAR, Auto, 75280-75479, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 200
MP, XAR, Auto, 75480-75999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 338
MP, XAR, Auto, 76150-76999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 308
MP, XAR, Auto, 88500-88803, 50'6", 14'7", 100000, 302
SB&M, XM, Box, 20051-20550, 40'0", 6'0", 80000, 384
N&W, XM, Box, 40000-40603, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 594
PM , XM, Box, 88000-88349, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 229
RI, XMR, Auto, 159250-159899, 40'6", 14'6", 80000, 361
RI, XM, Box, 160250-160599, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 334
SOO, XM, Box, 175000-175498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 246
SOO, XM, Box, 175900-176498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 297
SOO, XM, Box, 44500-45098, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 300
SOO, XM, Box, 136400-136798, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 200
SP, XM, Box, 66175-66674, 40'6", 10'7", 100000, 428
T&P, XM, Box, 30000-30316, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 312
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Larry,

Regarding your comment about the "considerable variation among railroads,"

1) During the Group's discussion about Richard Hendrickson's "Focus on Freight Cars, Vol. 1" by the group, someone commented that most of the boxcars photographed were owned by Western Roads.

2) Until WW II, the ICC broke out ownership of boxcars by Class I RR's in the US which were "all-steel," "Steel underframe" and "all other" into Districts - Eastern, Southern & Western. On 12/31/1940, the split by districts was:

All Districts . . . . . . Total . . . . . .Eastern . . . . . Southern . . . . . . .Western
Total Boxcars . . .705,366 . . . . 277,905 . . . . . 121,458 . . . . . . . 306,003
"All-Steel" . . . . . 267,632 . . . . 167,565 . . . . . . 40,127 . . . . . . . . 59,940
"SUF" . . . . . . . . 393,918 . . . . 109,432 . . . . . . 64,629 . . . . . . . 219,857
"All Others" . . . . . 43,816 . . . . . . . 908 . . . . . . 16,702 . . . . . . . . 26,206

Of the Total 705,366 Boxcars owned by US Class I RR's on 12/31/1940, 39% were owned by the Eastern RR's; 17% by the Southern RR's; and 44% by the Western RR's.

Of the 267,632 Total "All-Steel" Boxcars, over 62% were owned by the Eastern RR's; 15% by the Southern RR's; and 22% by the Western RR's.

Of the 393,918 Total "Steel-Underframed" Boxcars, about 28% were owned by the Eastern RR's; 16% by the Southern RR's; and 56% owned by the Western RR's.

About 60% of the Boxcars owned by the Eastern RR's were "all-Steel" vs. 33% of the Southern RR's and less than 20% of the Western RR's which were "all-steel." The majority of boxcars owned by the RR's in the Southern & Western Districts were Wood-Sheathed (either DS or SS) Steel Underframed - Southern (53%) and Western (nearly 72%).

Clearly, the Eastern RR's adopted earlier the "All-Steel" boxcar than the other two regions so it should not be so surprising that there was "considerable variation among railroads" and where those RR's operated. Where the Steel Industry was concentrated was only one of the factors that drove this.

Tim Gilbert

laramielarry wrote:

Hi Folks

Ever since finishing the transcription of box and auto records from
the July, 1950, ORER into an Excel file and making it available to
you all on the STEFA download site, I have been adding auxiliary
information that will allow us to determine the breakdown of car
types into double sheathed, single sheathed, steel, and other
categories and subcategories.

So far I have about 96% of the over 700,000 cars classified, with the
following results:

U.S. box, auto, and ventilator cars in interchange service, July,
1950 ORER:
Type, %, number
DS 9.0% 64,653
SS 20.5% 146,557
steel 66.0% 471,732
Other 0.6% 4,538
Unknown 3.9% 27,649
Total 100% 715,129

In words, with over 96% of the fleet classified, about 2/3 are steel,
and 1/3 are SS or DS; the SS/DS split is about 2/3 SS, 1/3 DS.

There is considerable variation among the railroads, however. For
example:

NYC: DS=430, SS=381, steel=63295, unknown=45
NYC: (.7%, .6%, 98.7%, .1%)
FRISCO: DS=526, SS=8835, steel=3078, unknown=708
FRISCO: (4.0%, 67.2%, 23.4%, 5.4%)
SOUTHERN: DS=7248, SS=0, steel=17946, unknown=153
SOUTHERN: (28.6%, 0.0%, 70.8%, .6%)
GN: DS=14840, SS=2998, steel=2499, plywood=1963, unknown=0
GN: (66.5%, 13.4%, 11.2%, 8.8%, 0.0%)

Right now, the "other" category consists mostly of the GN's plywood
sheathed cars, the ATSF's "panel" cars, and a few aluminum cars.
Also, there is one brick car, ATSF 40024, AAR mechanical designation
XM, IL = 39'6", IH = 7'3", CAPY = 2373 cu. ft., 45000 lb., no doors.

I consulted many different sources in order to compile this
information, including books, magazines, manufacturers' web sites,
the NEB&W database (John Nehrich's summaries), and the archives of
this site. Unfortunately, my copies of two of the most important
sources (Kline and Culotta, The Postwar Freight Car Fleet;
Hendrickson, Focus on Freight Cars, Vol. 1) haven't arrived yet. I
think I have reached a point of diminishing returns, however - it now
often takes one or two hours of digging to classify just a few
hundred more cars. Therefore, I would like to enlist the aid of the
members of this list.

I will be most appreciative if you can provide me information on the
following car series. Most important is whether the cars are DS, SS,
steel (or steel rebuild), or "other" (if "other", what?). If in
addition you can provide the date when built (and rebuilt, if
appropriate), that would be great! Further information such as
class, sub-category (e.g., "Fowler" or "Ribside") would be nice, but
is not necessary. Of course, references to photographs would be
wonderful. The classification should reflect the status of the
series as of July, 1950. If these cars can be classified, the number
of unknowns will be cut in half and over 98% of the fleet will be
categorized.

Thanks in advance!

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, Door, Capy, Qty
ATSF, XAR, Auto, 6751-6999, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 238
ATSF, XM, Box, 8500-8999, 50'6", 15'6", 100000, 497
ATSF, XMR, AL, 9200-9455, 50'6", 15'0", 72000, 256
ATSF, XMR, AL, 63000-63254, 40'6", 12'6", 80000, 249
ATSF, XM, Box, 63751-64161, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 210
CNW, XM, Box, 63000-64898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 515
CNW, XM, Box, 74900-76898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 971
CNW, XM, Box, 111000-111998, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 482
CNW, XMR, Auto, 54000-54798, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 393
CG, XM, Box, 40300-40699, 39'10", 6'0", 80000, 351
GM&O, XM, Box, 20000-20249, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 245
GTW, XAP, Auto, 572100-572399, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 242
GTW, XM, Box, 575000-575999, 40'6", 12'0", 90000, 468
GTW, XMR, Auto, 586500-586999, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 301
IC, XM, Box, 15500-15796, 40'2", 6'0", 80000, 291
IC, XM, Box, 25000-25499, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 258
IC, XM, Box, 25500-25999, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 264
IC, XM, Box, 37500-37993, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 486
IC, XM, Box, 40250-40499, 50'5", 12'0", 75000, 242
L&N, XM, Box, 13500-13999, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 244
L&N, XM, Box, 48700-48949, 40'6", 10'0", 100000, 243
MEC, XM, Box, 35301-35650, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 243
MILW, XAR, Auto, 9000-9499, 40'6", 15'0", 80000, 498
MILW, XM, Box, 15500-15749, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 248
MP, XM, Box, 44000-44410, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 408
MP, XM, Box, 44500-44788, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 281
MP, XM, Box, 45251-45494, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 239
MP, XAR, Auto, 75280-75479, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 200
MP, XAR, Auto, 75480-75999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 338
MP, XAR, Auto, 76150-76999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 308
MP, XAR, Auto, 88500-88803, 50'6", 14'7", 100000, 302
SB&M, XM, Box, 20051-20550, 40'0", 6'0", 80000, 384
N&W, XM, Box, 40000-40603, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 594
PM , XM, Box, 88000-88349, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 229
RI, XMR, Auto, 159250-159899, 40'6", 14'6", 80000, 361
RI, XM, Box, 160250-160599, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 334
SOO, XM, Box, 175000-175498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 246
SOO, XM, Box, 175900-176498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 297
SOO, XM, Box, 44500-45098, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 300
SOO, XM, Box, 136400-136798, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 200
SP, XM, Box, 66175-66674, 40'6", 10'7", 100000, 428
T&P, XM, Box, 30000-30316, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 312
Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "laramielarry" <ostresh@...> wrote:

I will be most appreciative if you can provide me information on the
following car series. Most important is whether the cars are DS, SS,
steel (or steel rebuild), or "other" (if "other", what?). If in
addition you can provide the date when built (and rebuilt, if
appropriate), that would be great! Further information such as
class, sub-category (e.g., "Fowler" or "Ribside") would be nice, but
is not necessary. Of course, references to photographs would be
wonderful. The classification should reflect the status of the
series as of July, 1950. If these cars can be classified, the number
of unknowns will be cut in half and over 98% of the fleet will be
categorized.

Thanks in advance!

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, Door, Capy, Qty
SOO, XM, Box, 175000-175498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 246
Built by Pullman Standard 1937

SOO, XM, Box, 175900-176498, 50'0", 12'6", 100000, 297
Built by Pullman Standard 1939
Both series are prewar all steel cars.


SOO, XM, Box, 44500-45098, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 300
Built by Soo at North Fond du Lac 1949-50

SOO, XM, Box, 136400-136798, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 200
Built by Soo at North Fond du Lac 1949-50
Both series are AAR standard steel cars.

Dennis
Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 2, 2007, at 1:27 AM, laramielarry wrote:

I will be most appreciative if you can provide me information on the
following car series. Most important is whether the cars are DS, SS,
steel (or steel rebuild), or "other" (if "other", what?). If in
addition you can provide the date when built (and rebuilt, if
appropriate), that would be great! Further information such as
class, sub-category (e.g., "Fowler" or "Ribside") would be nice, but
is not necessary. Of course, references to photographs would be
wonderful. The classification should reflect the status of the
series as of July, 1950.
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, Door, Capy, Qty
ATSF, XAR, Auto, 6751-6999, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 238
Class Fe-23, AAR design steel sheathed body on ARA underframe, rebuilt 1940 from double wood sheathed composite class Fe-S built in 1928.

ATSF, XM, Box, 8500-8999, 50'6", 15'6", 100000, 497
Class Fe-27, AAR-design steel-sheathed, built by Pressed Steel in 1945.

ATSF, XMR, AL, 9200-9455, 50'6", 15'0", 72000, 256
Class Fe-25, AAR-design steel body on older steel underframe, rebuilt 1942 from sectional wood-sheathed composite class Fe-Q built in 1924.

ATSF, XMR, AL, 63000-63254, 40'6", 12'6", 80000, 249
Class Fe-5, AAR-design steel body on "whalebelly" steel underframe, rebuilt 1936 from double wood sheathed classes Fe-L, Fe-N, and Fe-O, built in 1910 & 1914.

ATSF, XM, Box, 63751-64161, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 210
Class Fe-P, Sectional wood-sheathed composite automobile box cars, built by Pullman-Standard in 1923 (rebuilt 1950 to Bx-56 and Bx-58 class single door box cars).

Richard Hendrickson
al_brown03
 

Continuing:


IC, XM, Box, 37500-37993, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 486
IC, XM, Box, 40250-40499, 50'5", 12'0", 75000, 242
L&N, XM, Box, 13500-13999, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 244
L&N, XM, Box, 48700-48949, 40'6", 10'0", 100000, 243
MEC, XM, Box, 35301-35650, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 243
MILW, XAR, Auto, 9000-9499, 40'6", 15'0", 80000, 498
Steel, horiz rib, blt 3-6/47. RP CYC 13 pp1-75.

MILW, XM, Box, 15500-15749, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 248
Steel, horiz rib, blt 5-8/46. RP CYC 13 pp1-75.

MP, XM, Box, 44000-44410, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 408
MP, XM, Box, 44500-44788, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 281
SS, blt 6/29 as DD, rblt single-door before 4/47.
Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p62.

MP, XM, Box, 45251-45494, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 239
MP, XAR, Auto, 75280-75479, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 200
MP, XAR, Auto, 75480-75999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 338
MP, XAR, Auto, 76150-76999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 308
MP, XAR, Auto, 88500-88803, 50'6", 14'7", 100000, 302
SS, blt '26-27, rblt '41. MM 1/96 pp35-38.

SB&M, XM, Box, 20051-20550, 40'0", 6'0", 80000, 384
N&W, XM, Box, 40000-40603, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 594
PM , XM, Box, 88000-88349, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 229
SS 1-1/2D, blt '26, aux doors sealed post '34. FFC v1 p48.

RI, XMR, Auto, 159250-159899, 40'6", 14'6", 80000, 361
SS, blt late '20s. FFC v1 p53.

RI, XM, Box, 160250-160599, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 334
SS, blt late '20s. FFC v1 p53.

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-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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