ACL/SAL Covered Hoppers on Wabash


al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Allen Rueter <allen_282@...> wrote:

Al,

Thank you very much.



Correction on SAL 7040, should of been 7940 ( 7600-7999, P-S '52-
53.)



With fewer covered hoppers in 1950, would this traffic have been
shipped, bagged in box cars?



--

Allen Rueter StLouis MO
I don't know, but that would be my guess too. Like cement, fertilizer
is damaged by any water leakage into the car; so it would be an early
candidate for shipment in covered hoppers as they became available.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Allen Rueter
 

Al,

Thank you very much.



Correction on SAL 7040, should of been 7940 ( 7600-7999, P-S '52-53.)



With fewer covered hoppers in 1950, would this traffic have been shipped, bagged in box cars?



--

Allen Rueter StLouis MO

----- Original Message ----
From: al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:06:07 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ACL/SAL Covered Hoppers on Wabash


Only the shorter of my two replies came through, so let me summarize
> both.


>--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "allen rueter" <allen_282@. ..> wrote:

> >

> > I got a yard log for Martinsburg, MO 1958, (Wabash)

> >

> > Digging thru the archives I see a fair amount of fertilizer came

> > from Florida.

> >

Any one have an idea as to what make of LO (I assume) these are?
> > I'm really more interested what would be appropriate for 1950.


> With one possible exception, all cars listed are two-bay

> covered "cement hoppers", not phosphate cars. See Goolsby, Lines

> South 4th/98, pp 18-23.


> ACL series pre-1960 were:


> 85000-85014 (L-1), P-S '41.

> 85015-85074 (L-3), ACF '49.

> 85100-85699 (L-4), P-S '50-51.

> 86100-86699 (L-5), P-S '53.

> 86700-87299 (L-5), ACF '53-54.

> 87300-88099 (L-5), ACF '57.


> SAL series pre-1960 were:

> 8000-8049 (C1), P-S '40.

> 8050-8099 (C1), Greenville '42.

> 8100-8249 (C1), Bethlehem '47.

> 8250-8449 (C3), Greenville '49.

> 8450-8649, P-S '51.

> 7600-7999, P-S '52-53.

> 7200-7599, ACF '54.

> 8650-8849, ACF '56.

> 30000-30549, ACF '57.


> I don't know what SAL 7040 is: don't have a reference to that series.

> Can't help wondering if the number's correct.


It wasn't :(, should of been 7940


Pierce and Mulberry, Fla., are in the "Bone Valley" phosphate region
> east of Tampa. Pierce is just south of Mulberry on the SAL line to

> Boca Grande, the old Charlotte Harbor & Northern. Don't confuse it

> with *Fort* Pierce, a much larger town on the FEC. See Fischer, "Boca

> Grande: Once a Railroad Town" (privately published, '04), p18.



Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


>

> The following hoppers appear,

> Apr 29

> ACL | 87156 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

> ACL | 87025 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

>

> Apr 30

> ACL | 87156 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

> ACL | 87025 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

>

> May 12

> SAL | 7040 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

> SAL | 8208 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald < ACF 70T ?

>

> May 14

> SAL | 8208 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

>

> May 21

> ACL | 87749 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

> ACL | 87790 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

>

> May 22

> ACL | 87790 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

>

> May 29

> SAL | 30021 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

> SAL | 30156 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

>

> Jul 1

> ACL | 87906 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

>

> Jul 7

> SAL | 8096 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

>

> Sept 26

> ACL | 87786 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

>

> Sept 29

> ACL | 87786 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

>

> Oct 1

> ACL | 87615 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

>

> Oct 2

> ACL | 87615 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

>

> Oct 9

> ACL | 86768 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

>

> Oct 10

> ACL | 86768 | EH | Mty | Mulberry Fla.

>

> Oct 28

> ACL | 85404 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

>

> Nov 4

> ACL | 87700 | EH | Mty | Mulberry Fla.

> ACL | 87806 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

>

> Allen Rueter

> St. Louis MO







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al_brown03
 

Only the shorter of my two replies came through, so let me summarize
both.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "allen rueter" <allen_282@...> wrote:

I got a yard log for Martinsburg, MO 1958, (Wabash)

Digging thru the archives I see a fair amount of fertilizer came
from Florida.

Any one have an idea as to what make of LO (I assume) these are?
I'm really more interested what would be appropriate for 1950.
With one possible exception, all cars listed are two-bay
covered "cement hoppers", not phosphate cars. See Goolsby, Lines
South 4th/98, pp 18-23.

ACL series pre-1960 were:

85000-85014 (L-1), P-S '41.
85015-85074 (L-3), ACF '49.
85100-85699 (L-4), P-S '50-51.
86100-86699 (L-5), P-S '53.
86700-87299 (L-5), ACF '53-54.
87300-88099 (L-5), ACF '57.

SAL series pre-1960 were:
8000-8049 (C1), P-S '40.
8050-8099 (C1), Greenville '42.
8100-8249 (C1), Bethlehem '47.
8250-8449 (C3), Greenville '49.
8450-8649, P-S '51.
7600-7999, P-S '52-53.
7200-7599, ACF '54.
8650-8849, ACF '56.
30000-30549, ACF '57.

I don't know what SAL 7040 is: don't have a reference to that series.
Can't help wondering if the number's correct.

Pierce and Mulberry, Fla., are in the "Bone Valley" phosphate region
east of Tampa. Pierce is just south of Mulberry on the SAL line to
Boca Grande, the old Charlotte Harbor & Northern. Don't confuse it
with *Fort* Pierce, a much larger town on the FEC. See Fischer, "Boca
Grande: Once a Railroad Town" (privately published, '04), p18.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



The following hoppers appear,
Apr 29
ACL | 87156 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald
ACL | 87025 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Apr 30
ACL | 87156 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.
ACL | 87025 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

May 12
SAL | 7040 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.
SAL | 8208 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald < ACF 70T ?

May 14
SAL | 8208 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

May 21
ACL | 87749 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.
ACL | 87790 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

May 22
ACL | 87790 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

May 29
SAL | 30021 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald
SAL | 30156 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Jul 1
ACL | 87906 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Jul 7
SAL | 8096 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Sept 26
ACL | 87786 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Sept 29
ACL | 87786 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Oct 1
ACL | 87615 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Oct 2
ACL | 87615 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Oct 9
ACL | 86768 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Oct 10
ACL | 86768 | EH | Mty | Mulberry Fla.

Oct 28
ACL | 85404 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Nov 4
ACL | 87700 | EH | Mty | Mulberry Fla.
ACL | 87806 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Allen Rueter
St. Louis MO


al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "allen rueter" <allen_282@...> wrote:

I got a yard log for Martinsburg, MO 1958, (Wabash)

Digging thru the archives I see a fair amount of fertilizer came
from Florida.

Any one have an idea as to what make of LO (I assume) these are?
I'm really more interested what would be appropriate for 1950.

The following hoppers appear,
Apr 29
ACL | 87156 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald
ACL | 87025 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Apr 30
ACL | 87156 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.
ACL | 87025 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.
Addendum to my previous post: Pierce *is* in the Bone Valley, 4.6
miles south of Mulberry on the old Charlotte Harbor & Northern.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Allen Rueter
 

I got a yard log for Martinsburg, MO 1958, (Wabash)

Digging thru the archives I see a fair amount of fertilizer came
from Florida.

Any one have an idea as to what make of LO (I assume) these are?
I'm really more interested what would be appropriate for 1950.

The following hoppers appear,
Apr 29
ACL | 87156 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald
ACL | 87025 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Apr 30
ACL | 87156 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.
ACL | 87025 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

May 12
SAL | 7040 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.
SAL | 8208 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald < ACF 70T ?

May 14
SAL | 8208 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

May 21
ACL | 87749 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.
ACL | 87790 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

May 22
ACL | 87790 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

May 29
SAL | 30021 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald
SAL | 30156 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Jul 1
ACL | 87906 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Jul 7
SAL | 8096 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Sept 26
ACL | 87786 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Sept 29
ACL | 87786 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Oct 1
ACL | 87615 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Oct 2
ACL | 87615 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Oct 9
ACL | 86768 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Oct 10
ACL | 86768 | EH | Mty | Mulberry Fla.

Oct 28
ACL | 85404 | EH | Mty | Pierce Fla.

Nov 4
ACL | 87700 | EH | Mty | Mulberry Fla.
ACL | 87806 | LH | Fertz | Kersting & Fennewald

Allen Rueter
St. Louis MO

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Clark Propst <cepropst@...> wrote:

Tim,
I won't paint the Kadee hoppers M&StL, I'll wait. I have been
collecting some Atlas hoppers to modify with channel ends. You know what
they would look like coupled to the Kadee car? I'll have to rethink what
to do with them.
Thanks for catching my phosphorus mistake, it is of course phosphate.
I was listening to the Cubs game and must have remembered how pretty
phosphorus grenades were! The Cubs grenade wasn't pretty.
There was a fertilizer place at Emery IA. SAL or ACL (which were
black?) hoppers show up in the slides Soph took of the trolley. They
came off the M&StL.
I forgot to mention the CGW hoppers. there are a couple of them too.
They were assigned cars.
Clark Propst
CD seller