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question about truss rods and brake wheel staffs
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Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
Another car that I retrieved today is a wood sided reefer decorated for "Rath Black Hawk Hams". I was thinking of taking it to run in our club op sessions (1954-55), but saw that it had truss rods. It also has the long vertical brake wheel staff with the wheel mounted horizontally above the roof line.
My question is when is the latest such a car might have been used in interchange service ? Sub-questions - when were truss rods barred from interchange service, and when were the high brake wheels last used ? Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383 New England Rail Shipper Directories 19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478 |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Mar 24, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Malcolm Laughlin wrote:
Another car that I retrieved today is a wood sided reefer decoratedWood underframes were outlawed in interchange in 1928, but I'm not sure truss-rod underframes were ever outlawed, as long as they had substantial steel draft sills. In any case some cars with truss rods were still in interchange in the mid-1950s. And many cars with vertical staff hand brakes survived into the 1960s and later. The anachronism with the model you're describing, however, is the "Rath's Black Hawk Hams" advertising on the sides, which was banned after 1938. Some meat shippers, including Rath, did put company logos on their cars in the 1950s, but they were only allowed to do so if the cars were exclusively used to ship that company's products and did not include advertising for specific products. In the 1950s Rath leased its reefers from Mather, so in any case the model would not be accurate for the 40' Mather cars with steel ends that Rath then used (some 36' cars remained in Rath service after WW II but all were certainly gone by 1954). Richard Hendrickson |
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Eric Hansmann
--- Malcolm Laughlin wrote:
in interchange service ? Sub-questions - when were truss rods barred from interchange service, and when were the high brake wheels last used ? ====================================== Malcolm, There is a very useful file noted as AAR_InterchangeDates in hte STMFC file area at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/ There are three version of this file: HTML, Excel and WordPerfect. Lots of good data to help you with parameters about truss rods and arch bar truck use. Eric Hansmann Morgantown, W. Va. |
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I have a 1950's color photo of RPRX 348, a reefer lettered with aThe anachronism with the model you're describing, however, is the "Rath Black Hawk" logo on the side. Sure looks like advertising to me... ( The car does not have truss rods however. ) Tim O'Connor |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
I have a 1950's color photo of RPRX 348, a reefer lettered with a "Rath Black Hawk" logo on the side. Sure looks like advertising to me... ( The car does not have truss rods however. )Read the post, Tim. It was advertising of PRODUCTS which was sensitive, not showing an owner's logo. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Mar 24, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Yes, one version of the postwar Rath Indian head logo had "Black Hawk" at the bottom. But NOT "Black Hawk Hams" (or bacon), because the ICC regulations prohibited placing any advertising on the cars unless they were used exclusively to transport that product. Other meat packers also owned or leased reefers in the 1950s with their company logos on them - Swift, Wilson, Etc. - but no mention of individual products, unlike the pre-1938 billboard advertising, which even included ads for such products as Old Dutch Cleanser that obviously were not shipped in reefers. Richard Hendrickson |
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Read the post Tony. "Black Hawk" is the name of a PRODUCT brand
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name, not the name of a company. Why can't you just agree that advertising PRODUCTS on freight cars was completely legal in the 1950's? I can recite more examples if you like. Tim O'Connor At 3/24/2007 06:34 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:I have a 1950's color photo of RPRX 348, a reefer lettered with aRead the post, Tim. It was advertising of PRODUCTS which was |
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I'm glad you mentioned Old Dutch Cleanser Richard, since that reminds
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me of the Boraxo cleanser advertisement on freight cars that were NOT used to transport cleanser, but instead carried raw materials that had many uses, of which one was to use in cleanser. There are too many such examples to list here. The rule was an AAR rule, not an ICC rule, and was put into force on Jan 1, 1937, and it has been observed on this list and elsewhere that evidently the rule was no longer enforced after 1946, at least as far as privately leased cars were concerned. It was Tony Thompson who furnished this information to this list, in 2002. Tim O'Connor Yes, one version of the postwar Rath Indian head logo had "Black Hawk" |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Read the post Tony. "Black Hawk" is the name of a PRODUCT brandBest read it yet again, Tim. This time note the word "Ham." "Black Hawk" is a brand name. If you can't distinguish that from a product, I give up trying to crack your stubbornness. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
. . . it has been observed on this list and elsewhere that evidently the rule was no longer enforced after 1946, at least as far as privately leased cars were concerned. It was Tony Thompson who furnished this information to this list, in 2002.I am indeed the one who said "evidently," though that was before I had read and understood the details of the ICC ruling. Hopefully Tim understands "evidently." Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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hoghead32 <buckfiveoh@...>
Malcolm, back in my braking days I caught a boxcar to ride the
handbrake...it was a jade green NYC box with a high stemwinder brake. This was about 1971. M.J. Buckelew --- In STMFC@..., "Eric Hansmann" <eric@...> wrote: used in interchange service ? Sub-questions - when were truss rodsbarred from interchange service, and when were the high brake wheels last |
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lrkdbn
Wayner's book "Freight Car Pictorial" shows a war surplus Army flatcar
in use to haul municipal trash seen at Council Bluffs on the U.P. ca. 1971. It clearly has truss rods.I know this is "the exception that proves the rule",but I think Richard is right about there never being a specific ban on truss rods. Of course the rules on age of underframes would have weeded out any cars from the 1920's and earlier that had truss rods, (assuming there were any such still in service) by the late 1960's.I saw a few vertical staff brake wheels when I first started railfanning in the early 1970's,but they were rare by then.They were pretty common on non-revenue equipment on C&O and NYC in my area (Detroit, MI)however. Larry King <lrkdbn@...> |
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Jeff Coleman
last summer I ordered a new "staff" type hand brake for a PPGX tank
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car, very few of these cars left. Jeff Coleman --- In STMFC@..., "lrkdbn" <lrkdbn@...> wrote:
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