IRC AT&SF 12 panel box car


Tim O'Connor
 

this is bogus right? i thought IRC only did a 12 panel body for
a 10'0" IH box car, while the Santa Fe cars were 10'6" correct?

http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/46016u.htm

Tim O'Connor


Ed Hawkins
 

On Mar 27, 2007, at 5:36 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:

this is bogus right? i thought IRC only did a 12 panel body for
a 10'0" IH box car, while the Santa Fe cars were 10'6" correct?

http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/46016u.htm
Tim,
Yes, it's bogus for ATSF. Maybe one day BT will come through for us
with a good 12-panel 10'-6" AAR box car. Of course, there's always the
C&BT Shops models.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:
Yes, it's bogus for ATSF. Maybe one day BT will come through for us with a good 12-panel 10'-6" AAR box car.
Ed, Ed, the 10-foot car was EXACTLY what was needed <g>.

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Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 27, 2007, at 3:36 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:

this is bogus right? i thought IRC only did a 12 panel body for
a 10'0" IH box car, while the Santa Fe cars were 10'6" correct?

http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/46016u.htm
Tim, you're right that the Santa Fe cars were 10'6" IH, but it appears
(from a rough job of measuring the image on the screen) that the model
has a 10'6" IH, not 10'0" IH, body, so there seems to have been some
re-tooling. I'd like to see the ends, which should be 4-4 Improved
Dreadnaught, and the diagonal panel roof is definitely NOT correct
but could, of course, be replaced with a rectangular panel roof, since
the IRC roofs are separate from the bodies. Lettering appears to be
done correctly for a Bx-48 class car, and there were a number of later
classes with the same body but later style lettering (and, in some
cases, diagonal panel roofs).

Richard Hendrickson


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Schuyler Larrabee
 

On Mar 27, 2007, at 3:36 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:

this is bogus right? I thought IRC only did a 12 panel body for
a 10'0" IH box car, while the Santa Fe cars were 10'6" correct?

http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/46016u.htm
Tim, you're right that the Santa Fe cars were 10'6" IH, but
it appears
(from a rough job of measuring the image on the screen) that
the model
has a 10'6" IH, not 10'0" IH, body, so there seems to have been some
re-tooling. I'd like to see the ends, which should be 4-4 Improved
Dreadnaught, and the diagonal panel roof is definitely NOT correct -
but could, of course, be replaced with a rectangular panel
roof, since
the IRC roofs are separate from the bodies. Lettering appears to be
done correctly for a Bx-48 class car, and there were a number
of later
classes with the same body but later style lettering (and, in some
cases, diagonal panel roofs).

Richard Hendrickson
So, if the roof were replaced with a rectangular panel roof, and if the ends are right, this car'd
be pretty darn good (pending etched roof walk, stirrups, replacement brakewheel etc., etc.)?

Do I recall that the "48" in Bx-48 is the year? Did the lettering on these survive for another six,
eight years or so, or did they systematically redo that? Are we talking the map, or the other
stenciling?

SGL


Andy Carlson
 

I counted the end ribs from the side, and get what looks like a +3/4 IDE, which is for a 10-0 IH car. Also, I noticed the door used is the 5/6/5 short pre-war Youngstown door, the common door used by Intermountain for their 10-0 IH car. The 8 rung ladder sure looks like IM's 14 inch rung spacing 8 rung ladder- a ladder used on all of IM's 10-0 IH 12 panel cars. I conclude that this is simply their 10-0 IH GN 12 panel car.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote: On Mar 27, 2007, at 3:36 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:

this is bogus right? i thought IRC only did a 12 panel body for
a 10'0" IH box car, while the Santa Fe cars were 10'6" correct?

http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/46016u.htm
Tim, you're right that the Santa Fe cars were 10'6" IH, but it appears
(from a rough job of measuring the image on the screen) that the model
has a 10'6" IH, not 10'0" IH, body, so there seems to have been some
re-tooling. I'd like to see the ends, which should be 4-4 Improved
Dreadnaught, and the diagonal panel roof is definitely NOT correct �
but could, of course, be replaced with a rectangular panel roof, since
the IRC roofs are separate from the bodies. Lettering appears to be
done correctly for a Bx-48 class car, and there were a number of later
classes with the same body but later style lettering (and, in some
cases, diagonal panel roofs).

Richard Hendrickson







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Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson

I counted the end ribs from the side, and get what looks like a +3/4 IDE, which is for a 10-0 IH car. Also, I noticed the door used is the 5/6/5 short pre-war Youngstown door, the common door used by Intermountain for their 10-0 IH car. The 8 rung ladder sure looks like IM's 14 inch rung spacing 8 rung ladder- a ladder used on all of IM's 10-0 IH 12 panel cars. I conclude that this is simply their 10-0 IH GN 12 panel car.

----- Original Message -----

Might it be one of their existing cars painted up like a Bx-48 pending arrival of the actual items? I've seen it done before, for example using a vacuum-formed aircraft model for boxart. It can backfire though, as the vac kit used for photos was, well, a vac kit with soft detail. The actual injection molded kit was worlds better but didn't sell all that well, no doubt due in part to box photos that made it look bad.

KL


Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

I counted the end ribs from the side, and get what looks like a +3/4
IDE, which is for a 10-0 IH car. Also, I noticed the door used is the
5/6/5 short pre-war Youngstown door, the common door used by
Intermountain for their 10-0 IH car. The 8 rung ladder sure looks like
IM's 14 inch rung spacing 8 rung ladder- a ladder used on all of IM's
10-0 IH 12 panel cars. I conclude that this is simply their 10-0 IH GN
12 panel car.
Oh, shucks. Tim was right, it is a bogus model.

Richard Hendrickson


Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

So, if the roof were replaced with a rectangular panel roof, and if
the ends are right, this car'd
be pretty darn good (pending etched roof walk, stirrups, replacement
brakewheel etc., etc.)?
See Andy Carlson's post and my response. Turns out the body isn't
10'6" IH but only 10'0", so Tim was right it is a bogus model. So it
remains true that the only way to get a twelve panel 10'6" IH AAR box
car model is to find an old C&BT Shops body from before they went to
molded-on ladders, grabs, etc., upgrade most of the detail parts, and
paint and letter it yourself. I've modeled one Bx-48 that way and have
a couple of bodies I can use to model more of them.

Do I recall that the "48" in Bx-48 is the year?
No, the Bx-48 class was numbered in a sequence (preceded by Bx-47,
though that class was never actually built, and followed by Bx-49).
The Bx-48s were actually built new in 1946.

Did the lettering on these survive for another six,
eight years or so, or did they systematically redo that? Are we
talking the map, or the other
stenciling?
Yes, these were the last Santa Fe box cars to get the maps on the right
side and advertising slogan on the left, which they kept until being
repainted. The Santa Fe was generally pretty good about repainting
cars at 8-10 year intervals, but I have photos of Bx-48s with their
original, heavily weathered paint and lettering twenty years after they
were built.

Richard Hendrickson


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Tim O'Connor
 

And if I recall these cars are interesting because they used a
special Santa Fe emblem that was sized to fit the 12 panel side.
As far as I know Champ was the only source for this.

Tim O'Connor

Did the lettering on these survive for another six,
eight years or so, or did they systematically redo that? Are we
talking the map, or the other
stenciling?
Yes, these were the last Santa Fe box cars to get the maps on the right
side and advertising slogan on the left, which they kept until being
repainted. The Santa Fe was generally pretty good about repainting
cars at 8-10 year intervals, but I have photos of Bx-48s with their
original, heavily weathered paint and lettering twenty years after they
were built.

Richard Hendrickson


Barry Roth
 

Is this thread redux of another, along about message #30334, May 2004?

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote: On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

So, if the roof were replaced with a rectangular panel roof, and if
the ends are right, this car'd
be pretty darn good (pending etched roof walk, stirrups, replacement
brakewheel etc., etc.)?
[etc.]

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Schuyler Larrabee
 

Your point is?

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of Barry Roth
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IRC AT&SF 12 panel box car

Is this thread redux of another, along about message #30334, May 2004?

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...
<mailto:rhendrickson%40opendoor.com> > wrote: On Mar 27,
2007, at 6:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

So, if the roof were replaced with a rectangular panel roof, and if
the ends are right, this car'd
be pretty darn good (pending etched roof walk, stirrups,
replacement
brakewheel etc., etc.)?
[etc.]

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Barry Roth
 

We still seem to be waiting for the Branchline 10'6" IH 12-panel box,
said to be "forthcoming" back then.

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Your point is?

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of Barry Roth
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IRC AT&SF 12 panel box car

Is this thread redux of another, along about message #30334, May
2004?


William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Barry & group,

I gave up waiting. Have three CB&T kits presently in the shop. The
first of which is about to pop out fully finished and weathered(!)...
it is amazing how that happens... :-)... in a couple of days. Used the
body and almost everything else is new. Looks fairly good to me.

Cheers,
-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Barry_Roth wrote:

We still seem to be waiting for the Branchline 10'6" IH 12-panel box,
said to be "forthcoming" back then.

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
>
> Your point is?
>
> SGL
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
> > Behalf Of Barry Roth
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:16 AM
> > To: STMFC@...
> > Subject: Re: [STMFC] IRC AT&SF 12 panel box car
> >
> > Is this thread redux of another, along about message #30334, May
2004?
> >



Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

And if I recall these cars are interesting because they used a
special Santa Fe emblem that was sized to fit the 12 panel side.
As far as I know Champ was the only source for this.
Correct. The heralds applied to these cars were 2' square instead of
3', so that the stencils would fit the narrower side sheathing panels
without overlapping the rivet seams though when repainted in the
1950s 3' heralds were sometimes applied by shops that didn't have the
2' herald stencils. Champ still catalogs the 2' heralds, and, IIRC,
Microscale also has/had a set for covered hoppers which included the 2'
heralds, as the larger heralds would not fit between the side posts on
some Santa Fe covered hopper classes.

Richard Hendrickson


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