I think any kind of merchandise light enough to be lifted by a man
would be prone to be stolen if shipped in a gondola.

I think any kind of sewer pipe would have a relatively thick wall
making lengths of the larger sizes (say 10 or 12 inches in diameter and
above) pretty difficult for a man to lift, particularly over the side
of a typical gon.

I've heard that cast iron pipes were shipped in P&LE and PYMcY (Al
Westerfield calls this RR P mickey)gons. How about PRR gons?

Where were clay sewer pipes made?

Did these pipes have to be blocked? I would think that cast iron pipes
would be robust enough to avoid damage without blocking.

A few years ago the neighborhood when I live had new storm sewers
installed. A man can crawl through the concrete sewer pipes. I live
above the east extension of the Grand Coulie damn.

Ed

Ed Mines wrote:

I've heard that cast iron pipes were shipped in P&LE and PYMcY (Al Westerfield calls this RR P mickey)gons. How about PRR gons?

Rails in the Pittsburgh area always called it the "Pee Mickey" when I lived there.

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Ed Mines wrote:

I've heard that cast iron pipes were shipped in P&LE and PYMcY (Al
Westerfield calls this RR P mickey)gons. How about PRR gons?

Incidentally, Ed, the actual initials are PMcKY--Pittsburgh, McKeesport and Youghiogheny--which maybe is closed to the "pronounced" version of the initials.

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--- ed_mines <ed_mines@...> wrote:

Where were clay sewer pipes made?

clay pipe (and tile) were typically made where brick was a common product,
sometimes by the same plant. these days, I'm sure consolodation has eliminated
most of the plants.

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CJ:

One clay pipe manufacturer is Gladding McBean in Lincoln, California. They make some hunking big pipe sections of some sort from clay which is mined very close to the plant. Curiously, there doesn't seem to be, or to have ever been, a rail connection from the SP's Shasta Line into the plant. I've been past it many times since the late 1950s, and can't remember even bumping over disconnected rails in the pavement. Maybe it was so many, many years ago.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

cj riley wrote:

There was "Griffin Pipe Company" in Milledegville, Ga. which made big pipe. Several cars loads a day left there for many years. The red clay was brought in by drop bottom gons and hoppers. I believe much of the red clay came from the Macon area where Cherokee Brick had a mine and plant but, some clay came from farther north in Georgia.
Griffin Pipe formed the pipe and fired it to a shiney glaze. A friend worked there for many years, I'll have to ask him what lengths and diameter to be sure but, I remember seeing 50ft flatcars with "what looked to be" 24inch pipes stacked 2 high. They did have big wood timbers between and cables strapping them down.
Now that this subject has come up, I'll give him a call to get some details.
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga.

ed_mines <ed_mines@...> wrote:
I think any kind of merchandise light enough to be lifted by a man
would be prone to be stolen if shipped in a gondola.

I think any kind of sewer pipe would have a relatively thick wall
making lengths of the larger sizes (say 10 or 12 inches in diameter and
above) pretty difficult for a man to lift, particularly over the side
of a typical gon.

I've heard that cast iron pipes were shipped in P&LE and PYMcY (Al
Westerfield calls this RR P mickey)gons. How about PRR gons?

Where were clay sewer pipes made?

Did these pipes have to be blocked? I would think that cast iron pipes
would be robust enough to avoid damage without blocking.

A few years ago the neighborhood when I live had new storm sewers
installed. A man can crawl through the concrete sewer pipes. I live
above the east extension of the Grand Coulie damn.

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Gladding McBean also had a plant in Los Angeles adjacent to the SP Main line
as it left the Glendale Station. It's long gone now and they did make red
clay there also.



Paul C. Koehler



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CJ:

One clay pipe manufacturer is Gladding McBean in Lincoln, California.
They make some hunking big pipe sections of some sort from clay which is
mined very close to the plant. Curiously, there doesn't seem to be, or
to have ever been, a rail connection from the SP's Shasta Line into the
plant. I've been past it many times since the late 1950s, and can't
remember even bumping over disconnected rails in the pavement. Maybe it
was so many, many years ago.

Kind regards,

Garth G. Groff

cj riley wrote:

clay pipe (and tile) were typically made where brick was a common

product,

sometimes by the same plant. these days, I'm sure consolodation has

eliminated

most of the plants.

CJ Riley

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Paul wrote:

Gladding McBean also had a plant in Los Angeles adjacent to
the SP Main line as it left the Glendale Station. It's long gone
now and they did make red clay there also.

That would be this establishment:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047003.jpg

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047002.jpg

The photos are dated 1924. I would assume the round structures
in the back are kilns...

Shawn Beckert

There are certainly a number of "beehive" kilns at the rear, but also numerous
chimneys at other locations apparently serving other ovens in the buildings.

CJ Riley


--- "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...> wrote:

Paul wrote:

Gladding McBean also had a plant in Los Angeles adjacent to
the SP Main line as it left the Glendale Station. It's long gone
now and they did make red clay there also.

That would be this establishment:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047003.jpg

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047002.jpg

The photos are dated 1924. I would assume the round structures
in the back are kilns...

Shawn Beckert

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Have you seen:

http://www.ncpi.org/EngineeringManual/eng_manual01.htm

http://superiorclay.com/products.php
(I think this place might still ship via rail. Flue liners and wall copings would also be suitable steam era freight.)

KL

Here's a link to a page with some dimensions:

<http://www.tpub.com/content/engineering/14069/css/14069_287.htm>

Iowa had a number of clay tile factories scattered through out the state.
These were often the same factories who made brick, building tile and sewer
pipe as well as farm drainage tile. They were typically located near large
clay deposits. Mason City had several Brick and Tile works on the south side
of the city, served by the Mason City & Clear Lake interurban.

Clark Calvin was a turn of the century geologist at the U of Iowa, who was
also an amature photographer. He traveled the country photographing
geological sites and industries related to geology, ie mines, tile works,
etc. He then used his lantern slides in the classroom. He also took students
on field trips. Part of his photocollection can be found at
<http://www.uiowa.edu/~calvin/scrapbook.htm> Click on the industry section
to see some photos of various Brick and Tile works that made tile/pipe from
clay.

Also do an image search for "iowa clay tile" to find additional photos of
clay pits, pipe works, etc.

In high school I worked with a farm tile outfit. The tile was round,
typically 18" long, 4-6" in diameter, and about 3/4" thick. Color was orange
red to brown. Color depends on the clay deposits and additives to the clay.
Farm tile when laid in the trench was butted together, no seals or joints.
Clay sewer pipe is built with a bell on one end to create a water tight seal
(don't want that sewage leaking out before getting to the proper location).

I believe Clark Propst has interior photos of Mason City tile loaded in CGW
boxcars. As it was stacked loose, the railroads had high damage claims.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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