can anyone please inform me, if there is an ' n ' guage model of a B&O
stockcar, and if so, please who makes it.
i have recently been told that the bachmann model is based on a UP
diagram.
is this true.
a very confused rod

Rod (?) wrote:
"can anyone please inform me, if there is an ' n ' guage model of a
B&O stockcar, and if so, please who makes it."

Unfortunately, there are no correct models of B&O stockcars
available in N scale. That means no Mather stockcars, no Class M-26
boxcar conversions, and no leased converted ATSF 50 ft boxcar
rebuilds.

"i have recently been told that the bachmann model is based on a UP
diagram. is this true."

Rod, I'll give you the same answer as I did when you asked this
question on the B&O list. The Bachmann HO AND N scale stock cars
are models of the 1951 AAR stock car built only for Union Pacific:
UP 46800-46999 and UP 47400-47699, Class S-40-12, built 1950. I do
not understand what your confusion is - compare the following photos
and you will see what I mean.
HO - http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/160-18535
N - http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/160-71551
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/up/up47417d-ajs.jpg

CB&Q had similar cars, which differed from this model as the
prototype were lower cars with rectangular panel roofs. None of the
paint schemes offered by Bachmann are accurate, including the Union
Pacific one.

Feel free to contact me off list if you still don't believe me.


Ben Hom

Ben-
The only cars that match the HO Bachmann stockcar you reference are the Atlas and Model Power copies of the Atlas.
The picture is of the HO car, not the N as is often normal with Bachmann. I believe the Bachmann HO car has a "Crown"
heritage which were Hong Kong RTR exact copies of Athearn cars sold by Mantua, IIRC.
The N Scale Atlas car model was the former Made In USA Kit and is now part of the Trainman series and does closely follow
the Athearn HO car..
The Bachmann, Aurora/Minitrix, Rivarossi, and Mehano (and some Model Power and LifeLike Far East copies) are essentially
copies of the HO made-up cars of the late 40s and 50s... Varney et al..... They vary in details mostly due to execution in mold
making. The ConCor car is more like the CB&Q car as it has regular slat spacing and size, but has a more modern roof and
end details of a 1960s roofwalk removed car.
Model Railroad Warehouse (the guys that do the Red Ball HO kits) had/have a set of sides for a B&O metal sided stockcar in N.
Charlie Vlk

Charlie Vlk wrote:

The N Scale Atlas car model was the former Made In USA Kit and is now part of the Trainman series and does closely follow the Athearn HO car.

Does it have the roof rib orientation reversed, as does the Athearn HO car?

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Tony-
Which direction SHOULD the diagonal be.... SW to NE or NW to SE???? I'll check on my models.
Charlie Vlk

Which direction SHOULD the diagonal be.... SW to NE or NW to SE???? I'll check on my models.

Looking down on the roof from above, the "groove" between the two roof-spanning ribs should run from upper left to lower right.
We know why Athearn got it wrong. It is fascinating if all the "exact copies" slavishly reproduced the error, thereby removing all doubt that they were mere copies.

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Charlie Vlk asked:
"Which direction SHOULD the diagonal be.... SW to NE or NW to SE????"

Tony Thompson replied:
"Looking down on the roof from above, the "groove" between the two
roof-spanning ribs should run from upper left to lower right."

That's the way it is on the Athearn model!

What Tony meant to say was the "groove" between the roof-spanning ribs
should run from upper right to lower left. Think Vermont and New
Hampshire.


Ben Hom

Ben Hom wrote:

What Tony meant to say was the "groove" between the roof-spanning ribs should run from upper right to lower left. Think Vermont and New Hampshire.

Not sure about the analogy with the New England states, but the way I stated it most certainly IS the way several photos show it. Or could there have been more than one roof version?? Cite me a photo of your description, Ben, and I'll send you one of mine.

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you guys are in agreement for goodness' sake! just different
ways of describing the Athearn mistake.

TOny Thompson wrote:
"...the way I stated it most certainly IS the way several photos show
it."

...and it most certainly is correct. I'm trying to do too many things
at once tonight and screwed up. Please accept my apologies.

I've uploaded photos of the Athearn model to the group Photos section
to show what the prototype roof should NOT look like.


Ben Hom

Tim O'Connor wrote:

you guys are in agreement for goodness' sake! just different
ways of describing the Athearn mistake.

Tim is right. I was thinking of viewing from the car end (long axis vertical), Ben was thinking of viewing the roof from the side of the car (long axis horizontal). Athearn definitely is wrong.

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Hooray!!! The Atlas and Model Power copy models are correct!!
The roof-ribs run opposite to the Athearn HO body!!!
Thanks for posting the photos Ben!
Charlie Vlk

For HO modelers, the Trix UP stock cars are correct. But I'm holding
on to my superdetailed Athearn car -- I invested too much time in it to
just toss it away...

Tim O'Connor wrote:

For HO modelers, the Trix UP stock cars are correct. But I'm holding on to my superdetailed Athearn car -- I invested too much time in it to just toss it away...

No need, Tim. Just replace the roof. I've done it and it's not hard.

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I also rebuilt the placards, extended the diags and posts,
rebuilt the door track and corrected the door, carved off the
grabs to replace with wire... The model has more problems
than just the roof! :-)

Tim

Tim O'Connor wrote:

I also rebuilt the placards, extended the diags and posts, rebuilt the door track and corrected the door, carved off the grabs to replace with wire... The model has more problems than just the roof! :-)

See, like I said, only one more thing to correct <g>.

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There is, of course, a Parallel Universe where everything is like here except that diagonal panels run the other way. Sometimes one of those will slip through a wormhole and ... voila!

Barry Roth


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:

I also rebuilt the placards, extended the diags and posts, rebuilt the
door track and corrected the door, carved off the grabs to replace
with wire... The model has more problems than just the roof! :-)

See, like I said, only one more thing to correct <g>.



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Barry Roth wrote:

There is, of course, a Parallel Universe where everything is like here except that diagonal panels run the other way. Sometimes one of those will slip through a wormhole and ... voila!

Glad you reminded us of this, Barry, as it may be helpful with many topics concerning Irv Athearn to imagine a parallel universe . . . and likely over in that universe, the tunnel motors have to rotate in the opposite direction to ours, in order to keep tunnels from closing up under the Coriolis effect. The latter, of course, is well documented in the archives of the Espee list.

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--- In STMFC@..., Barry Roth <barry_roth@...> wrote:

There is, of course, a Parallel Universe where everything is like

here except that diagonal panels run the other way.&#92;

And the Pennsy is the unstandard railroad of the world.

George Simmons
Dry Prong, LA