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radius158
Has anyone had any experience with Accupaint primer..or other accupaint
colors? ie does it need to be thinned? Any other thinner rather than expensive accupaint thinner? thanks Doug Gardner |
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jerryglow2
I have used several of their colors although not the primer and did use
their thinner. There dosen't appear to be an alternative but the results were worth it. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., "radius158" <gard158@...> wrote: accupaint colors? |
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Schuyler Larrabee
While I don't get along with Accupaint, the few experiments I did with it on brass convinced me that
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the primer is very much required on brass. And I think it's a very thick paint. But then, I'm not working from a large base of experience. The times I've tried it (few) on brass w/o the primer, the paint would just scrape right off with your fingernail, much less any sort of sharpish edge. SGL La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce! -----Original Message----- |
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pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
I've used Accupaint some and have success using acetone as a thinner.
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I've been told that it's more of an ink than a paint so it matches the colours in the Accucal decal line. I've not used it on brass so can't comment on it's durability in that regard but on styrene it worked fine. Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@..., "radius158" <gard158@...> wrote:
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Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
Hi Doug,
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I use Accupaint colors , never used their primer. I use ACRYLIC thinner for the Accupaint , works perfectly. You have to test on the plastic you are going to paint first. In the case of a box car , test inside. Once you have a primer first , no problem. My preffered primer for resin kits is the Floquil zinc chromate primer mixed with Crystal Cote , Retarder and Diosol. Let me say that this mixture works fine here where we have a humidity of 80% and 100 º F plus at summer time. So I have to play with the ammount of each part during the year. Marcelo Lordeiro ----- Original Message -----
From: radius158 To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: [STMFC] accupaint primer Has anyone had any experience with Accupaint primer..or other accupaint colors? ie does it need to be thinned? Any other thinner rather than expensive accupaint thinner? thanks Doug Gardner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 27/7/2007 06:08 |
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jerryglow2
Some have reported that same problem on other than brass, esp resin
kits. I got into the habit of beadblasting styrene and resin models prior to painting although I suspect priming would be highly recommended on brass. As for "handeling" I have had much more predictable and controlled results with it than the water based paints. But as usual, your milage may vary.... Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote: with it on brass convinced me that the primer is very much required on brass. And I think it's a verythick paint. But then, I'm not working from a large base of experience. The times I've tried it(few) on brass w/o the primer, the paint would just scrape right off with your fingernail, much lessany sort of sharpish edge.
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Greg Martin
Oh MY GOSH...
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I would not use any synthetic thinner on ACCUPAINT least of all Acetone (dangerous stuff). From past conversations with Greg Conrad regarding his product it was a very pure form of Acrylic. Jim Six once boasted of using lacquer thinner with this paint and I had a conversation with Greg regarding Jim's statements and he stated that it SHOULD never have done anything but conjeal. We have had the discussion regarding using something other than manufacturers thinners wiuth paints and I have always believed, Why reinvent the wheel?? One recommendation he displayed at the 1994 NMRA convention in Portland was to paint the item and use a hairdrier to "shrink" the finish and it does shrink to fit. SAWEET paint if you could keep the shelf life (I converted mine from plastic bottles to glass) long enough to use it up. I have had very good results in the past with this now not available paint using distilled water and a couple of drops of Ammonia (which slows the dry time), but that was before they made a specific thinner. I always used a double action Badger airbrush for Acrylics. Greg Martin -----Original Message-----
From: pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 4:10 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: accupaint primer I've used Accupaint some and have success using acetone as a thinner. I've been told that it's more of an ink than a paint so it matches the colours in the Accucal decal line. I've not used it on brass so can't comment on it's durability in that regard but on styrene it worked fine. Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@..., "radius158" <gard158@...> wrote:
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radius158
Do you thin it?
--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote: Acetone (dangerous stuff). From past conversations with Greg Conrad regarding his product it was a very pure form of Acrylic. Jim Six once boasted of using lacquer thinner with this paint and I had a conversation with Greg regarding Jim's statements and he stated that it SHOULD never have done anything but conjeal. We have had the discussion regarding using something other than manufacturers thinners wiuth paints and I have always believed, Why reinvent the wheel?? Portland was to paint the item and use a hairdrier to "shrink" the finish and it does shrink to fit. SAWEET paint if you could keep the shelf life (I converted mine from plastic bottles to glass) long enough to use it up. available paint using distilled water and a couple of drops of Ammonia (which slows the dry time), but that was before they made a specific thinner. I always used a double action Badger airbrush for Acrylics. thinner. I've been told that it's more of an ink than a paint so it matchesthe colours in the Accucal decal line. I've not used it on brass socan't comment on it's durability in that regard but on styrene it workedfine. Pierre Oliveraccupaint ______________________________________________________________________colors? __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what'sfree from AOL at AOL.com. |
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radius158
Since accu-paint ia apparently pre thinned, what need is there for
thinner except for cleaning the airbrush ? Doug Gardner --- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote: Acetone (dangerous stuff). From past conversations with Greg Conrad regarding his product it was a very pure form of Acrylic. Jim Six once boasted of using lacquer thinner with this paint and I had a conversation with Greg regarding Jim's statements and he stated that it SHOULD never have done anything but conjeal. We have had the discussion regarding using something other than manufacturers thinners wiuth paints and I have always believed, Why reinvent the wheel?? Portland was to paint the item and use a hairdrier to "shrink" the finish and it does shrink to fit. SAWEET paint if you could keep the shelf life (I converted mine from plastic bottles to glass) long enough to use it up. available paint using distilled water and a couple of drops of Ammonia (which slows the dry time), but that was before they made a specific thinner. I always used a double action Badger airbrush for Acrylics. thinner. I've been told that it's more of an ink than a paint so it matchesthe colours in the Accucal decal line. I've not used it on brass socan't comment on it's durability in that regard but on styrene it workedfine. Pierre Oliveraccupaint ______________________________________________________________________colors? __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what'sfree from AOL at AOL.com.
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Who is Greg Conrad? Accupaint is not an acrylic paint, it's a printing ink.
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Greg Martin's advice sounds good for most acrylic paints, but not AP. AP can be diluted with lacquer thinner, but why would you want to? I suppose if you wanted to slow down the evaporation of the thinner, so it had more time to attack the styrene model, then by all means use lacquer thinner. Accupaint's own thinner is highly volatile and evaporates in a few minutes, which is why the stuff dries so fast. Acetone is not terribly aggressive and it's no worse than Accupaint's own formula of MEK, alcohols, and acetone, but I think using Acetone alone the paint may not flow as well and may not dry as fast. Accupaint and Star paints are highly water-absorbent -- so if you spray in a humid climate or a dry climate, the results may differ quite a bit. The MEK by the way helps Accupaint to adhere strongly to styrene, which is why it is so wonderful for styrene. It can be sprayed directly on brass, but it's not going to stay there if the model is handled. It's needs a primer on brass, and I use a primer on resin too when using Accupaint. (Otherwise I've had variable results with resin.) And yes, Star and Accupaint are the same product, from different vendors. I'm sure that's been mentioned one or two hundred times here... Tim O'Connor -------------- Original message ----------------------
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The old bottles were not airtight. So over time (years) the thinner
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in the bottle evaporates. Adding new thinner will revive the "paint". Also, I have a large jar of Accupaint thinner for stripping. Many old Front Range and McKean models were painted with this same stuff. They can be incredibly hard to strip but when I drop them in this the color just washes off. In fact we owe Accupaint and Star to Fred Becker, who discovered it in the first place, and shared the information with George Bishop, whose Accucals and Accupaint were transformed. Previous to that time, George used a different vendor -- Floquil -- for his paint. Tim O'Connor -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "radius158" <gard158@...> Since accu-paint ia apparently pre thinned, what need is there for |
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rgs0554
--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote:
Greg MartinHi Greg, If you should happen to read the label on a pint of Accupaint thinner you would learn it contains Acetone, Methylethyl Ketone, Propyl Alcohol, Diacetone Alcohol. It currently costs $15.95 a pint at Walthers. That's $127.50/gallon! Thats kinda expensive air brush cleaner. Acetone, a component of AP at $14/gal works fine as an air brush cleaner. Regards, Don Smith |
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Ed Hawkins
On Jul 27, 2007, at 3:56 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:
Who is Greg Conrad? Accupaint is not an acrylic paint, it's aTim, The late Greg Konrad was the person behind the original Badger Accuflex, later Testors Accuflex. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
Tim asked:
Who is Greg Conrad? Accupaint is not an acrylic paint, it's aHe probably means Greg Konrad, of AccuFLEX (not AccuPAINT) fame. Different paint entirely. Tom Madden |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Jul 27, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Don Smith rgs0554 wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote: Hi Greg, If you should happen to read the label on a pint of Sure, Don, as an airbrush cleaner. I use acetone or lacquer thinner, too, for that purpose; it works well on every paint I've ever run through the airbrush and is readily available at a relatively reasonable price. But that's a whole different matter from thinning Accupaint with it (or any other kind of paint, for that matter). The amount of thinner we use to reduce paint for airbrushing is small, and using anything but the paint manufacturer's own thinner is just asking for trouble. Richard Hendrickson |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Don Smith wrote:
Hi Greg, If you should happen to read the label on a pint of Accupaint thinner you wouldGosh, did Greg miss another one? <g> And for those occasional non-chemists on the list who want to know, acetone is also known as dimethyl ketone. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Greg Martin
Sorry, all I was thinking ACCUFLEX not ACCUPAINT my mistake
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Greg Martin -----Original Message-----
From: radius158 <gard158@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 1:21 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: accupaint primer Do you thin it? --- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote: Acetone (dangerous stuff). From past conversations with Greg Conrad regarding his product it was a very pure form of Acrylic. Jim Six once boasted of using lacquer thinner with this paint and I had a conversation with Greg regarding Jim's statements and he stated that it SHOULD never have done anything but conjeal. We have had the discussion regarding using something other than manufacturers thinners wiuth paints and I have always believed, Why reinvent the wheel?? Portland was to paint the item and use a hairdrier to "shrink" the finish and it does shrink to fit. SAWEET paint if you could keep the shelf life (I converted mine from plastic bottles to glass) long enough to use it up. available paint using distilled water and a couple of drops of Ammonia (which slows the dry time), but that was before they made a specific thinner. I always used a double action Badger airbrush for Acrylics. thinner. I've been told that it's more of an ink than a paint so it matchesthe colours in the Accucal decal line. I've not used it on brass socan't comment on it's durability in that regard but on styrene it workedfine. Pierre Oliveraccupaint __________________________________________________________colors? __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what'sfree from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. |
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rgs0554
--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
Hi Richard, I agree; I posted a bit about painting with Accupaint and with PBL Star Brand. In it I stated that I used Dupont 3696S Acyrilic Lacquer Thinner to thin both Star and Accupaint. I hope anybody who tries it does not use straight lacquer thinner but instead uses ACYRILIC lacquer thinner. I too use acetone ONLY for clean up. Regards, Don Smith |
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Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Greg you are confusing Accupaint with Accuflex. Two different paints.
Accuflex was an acrylic paint created and/or promoted by Greg Konrad. It was later taken over by Testors/Floquil who killed it when they brought out their own acrylic line, PollyScale. ModelFlex by Badger is another acrylic paint, very very similar to Accuflex, but according to Badger it is not Accuflex. But I believe Badger bought the rights to Accuflex, made a minor change in the formula to slow down the drying rate. Last I saw of Greg Konrad, he was trying to bring out the original formula of AccuFlex under his own name/lable. Didn't go anywhere if I recall. AccuFlex/ModelFlex is a great paint, I use it almost exclusively. But then I don't paint diesels, for which Accupaint is often used. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org |
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al_brown03
Hi y'all --
Acetone (boiling point 56 Celsius) is lower boiling than MEK (bp 80 C) or alcohols (bp above 100 C mostly). So I'd think acetone alone would dry *faster* than mixtures with those other things. I dunno what would flow better: can't speak to that, nor to adherence. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@... wrote: printing ink. Greg Martin's advice sounds good for most acrylic paints, but notAP. I suppose if you wanted to slow down the evaporation of the thinner, so ithad more time to attack the styrene model, then by all means use lacquerthinner. minutes, which is why the stuff dries so fast. Acetone is not terriblyaggressive and it's no worse than Accupaint's own formula of MEK, alcohols, andacetone, but I think using Acetone alone the paint may not flow as well andmay not dry as fast. Accupaint and Star paints are highly water-absorbent --so if you spray in a humid climate or a dry climate, the results maydiffer quite a bit. The MEK by the way helps Accupaint to adhere strongly tostyrene, which is why it is so wonderful for styrene. It can be sprayeddirectly on brass, but it's not going to stay there if the model is handled.It's needs a primer on brass, and I use a primer on resin too when usingAccupaint. (Otherwise I've had variable results with resin.)vendors. I'm sure that's been mentioned one or two hundred times here...Acetone regarding his(dangerous stuff). From past conversations with Greg Conrad of usingproduct it was a very pure form of Acrylic. Jim Six once boasted Greg regardinglacquer thinner with this paint and I had a conversation with anything butJim's statements and he stated that it SHOULD never have done other thanconjeal. We have had the discussion regarding using something Why reinvent themanufacturers thinners wiuth paints and I have always believed, Portland was towheel?? does shrink topaint the item and use a hairdrier to "shrink" the finish and it mine fromfit. SAWEET paint if you could keep the shelf life (I converted available paint usingplastic bottles to glass) long enough to use it up. dry time), butdistilled water and a couple of drops of Ammonia (which slows the double actionthat was before they made a specific thinner. I always used a thinner.Badger airbrush for Acrylics. matches theI've been told that it's more of an ink than a paint so it can'tcolours in the Accucal decal line. I've not used it on brass so worked fine.comment on it's durability in that regard but on styrene it Pierre Oliver |
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