Atlas ICC 105 tank ANPX 122


John Hile <john66h@...>
 

I recently acquired an Atlas 11,000 ICC-105 tank in the Anchor scheme
- ANPX 122. The Atlas web site says this car was built 1951 and
repainted 1956. I am trying to determine what these cars looked like
and what numbers they carried when new. The Atlas model is silver on
the upper tank portion with black "billboard" ANCHOR lettering and the
lower tank portion and underframe are black with white lettering.

I have been able to confirm the 1951 built date from Richard
Hendrickson's article in the July 2003 Railmodel Journal. In that
article, there is a photo (Bob's/Col. Chet McCoid) of ANPX 120 and
Richard's caption gives the built date. The photo was taken Sept.
1957, and the scheme matches that on the Atlas model.

My January 1953 ORER, however, does not list an ANPX number series
that would include these cars. There are several listings for ICC
105A300W tanks, but they are in the 2010 to 3570 range and vary in
capy from 10,500 gal to 11,014 gal.

So, my questions are:
1) When new in 1951, did these cars carry the same paint scheme?
2) When new, what number did this car (or cars in this lot) carry?

I appreciate any assistance in researching this car.

John Hile
Blacksburg Va


Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 14, 2007, at 10:48 AM, John Hile wrote:

I have been able to confirm the 1951 built date from Richard
Hendrickson's article in the July 2003 Railmodel Journal. In that
article, there is a photo (Bob's/Col. Chet McCoid) of ANPX 120 and
Richard's caption gives the built date. The photo was taken Sept.
1957, and the scheme matches that on the Atlas model.

My January 1953 ORER, however, does not list an ANPX number series
that would include these cars. There are several listings for ICC
105A300W tanks, but they are in the 2010 to 3570 range and vary in
capy from 10,500 gal to 11,014 gal.

So, my questions are:
1) When new in 1951, did these cars carry the same paint scheme?
2) When new, what number did this car (or cars in this lot) carry?
John,
The photo of ANPX 120 has a build date of 5-51. It was built by AC&F
and it generally matches the Atlas model (as close as the model
allows). I can say with certainty that AC&F didn't build the car for
Anchor Petroleum.

AC&F lot 3553 was 200 cars for Sunray Oil Co. (SUYX 101-300). I have
never been able to locate the AC&F builder's photo for this series of
cars. The AC&F bill of materials for this lot number provides
information only on the underframe and trucks. Your 1/53 ORER likely
lists the SUYX 101-300 series cars. Sometime between 1/53 and the 4/55,
the cars became ANPX 101-300. I don't have immediate access to any
ORERs in between, so perhaps others can help pinpoint when the change
was made. Hope this helps answer your question.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Nov 14, 2007, at 10:48 AM, John Hile wrote:

I have been able to confirm the 1951 built date from Richard
Hendrickson's article in the July 2003 Railmodel Journal. In that
article, there is a photo (Bob's/Col. Chet McCoid) of ANPX 120 and
Richard's caption gives the built date. The photo was taken Sept.
1957, and the scheme matches that on the Atlas model.

My January 1953 ORER, however, does not list an ANPX number series
that would include these cars. There are several listings for ICC
105A300W tanks, but they are in the 2010 to 3570 range and vary in
capy from 10,500 gal to 11,014 gal.

So, my questions are:
1) When new in 1951, did these cars carry the same paint scheme?
2) When new, what number did this car (or cars in this lot) carry?
John,
The photo of ANPX 120 has a build date of 5-51. It was built by AC&F
and it generally matches the Atlas model (as close as the model
allows). I can say with certainty that AC&F didn't build the car for
Anchor Petroleum.

AC&F lot 3553 was 200 cars for Sunray Oil Co. (SUYX 101-300). I have
never been able to locate the AC&F builder's photo for this series of
cars. The AC&F bill of materials for this lot number provides
information only on the underframe and trucks. Your 1/53 ORER likely
lists the SUYX 101-300 series cars. Sometime between 1/53 and the 4/55,
the cars became ANPX 101-300. I don't have immediate access to any
ORERs in between, so perhaps others can help pinpoint when the change
was made. Hope this helps answer your question.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Thanks Ed. My 1/53 ORER does show SUYX 101-301 as ICC105A300W at
11,000 gal capy. FWIW, Ian Cranstone's web site (www.nakina.net)
lists dates for SUYX reporting marks as 1/1952 to 7/1954, eliminated
1/1955.

Richard's July 2003 article in RMJ has an in-service shot of SUYX 292
from Bob's/Col. Chet McCoid. The photo date is given as 2/54.
Richard describes the paint scheme as: black underframe and bottom
shell with white lettering, while the top shell and ends were light
gray with red lettering.

I found one other photo of an Anchor LPG car in an NMRA book of clinic
presentations from the 1990 Pittsburgh Convention. Richard gave a
presentation on tank cars, and on p.102 is a photo of ANPX 2660 (Geo.
Sisk/C. Winters) with a built date noted as 1946, but no photo date.
This car appears similarly lettered to the ANPX 120, however, the
silver extends further down the side of the tank so that the "Anchor
Petroleum Co. Tulsa Okla." letters are black instead of white. The
photo reproduction is a little grainy, but there appears to be some
black along the bottom of the tank. ANPX 2660 has the smaller dome
platform, and what look like Barber S2 trucks to me...as opposed to
the A-3's on ANPX 120 and SUYX 292.

The 11,000 gal ICC105A300W's listed for ANPX in the 1/53 ORER are:
2480, 2490-2570, 2580-2590, 2630-2840, 2940-3060. Note that all cars
are numbered in multiples of ten.

I would appreciate any information you may have that would help me to
model one of these ANPX cars using the Atlas car I have.

Thanks in advance,

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 15, 2007, at 1:54 PM, John Hile wrote:

The 11,000 gal ICC105A300W's listed for ANPX in the 1/53 ORER are:
2480, 2490-2570, 2580-2590, 2630-2840, 2940-3060. Note that all cars
are numbered in multiples of ten.

I would appreciate any information you may have that would help me to
model one of these ANPX cars using the Atlas car I have.
John,
From the AC&F bill of materials, the following information pertains to
one of the number series above.

ANPX 2710-2750, 5 cars, built 11-49, ACF lot 3352. Aluminum-top of
casing. Black-rest of car and lettering over aluminum. White lettering
over black. These cars had dome platforms of the type that surrounded
the dome. These cars more or less match the Atlas model.

Other ANPX cars in your list either came from GATC or were renumbered
from different original sources.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 15, 2007, at 1:54 PM, John Hile wrote:

I found one other photo of an Anchor LPG car in an NMRA book of clinic
presentations from the 1990 Pittsburgh Convention. Richard gave a
presentation on tank cars, and on p.102 is a photo of ANPX 2660 (Geo.
Sisk/C. Winters) with a built date noted as 1946, but no photo date.
John,
This is being answered separately since I had to do more digging to
figure this one out. ANPX 2660 was built by AC&F in 4-5-48 (not 4-46).
The stencils are difficult to tell apart a "6" and "8."

The car had originally been delivered to Dade Gas Company. The original
reporting marks and car number areas show a rectangular area where the
original DGX reporting marks and car numbers were painted out.

The ANPX 2660 was likely the original DGX 100, one of two cars numbered
100 and 110, built by AC&F as lot number 3195. The builder's photo of
DGX 110 was built 5-48 and carried the same paint scheme as the ANPX
2660. The dome and top of the casing and heads were painted aluminum.
The very bottom of the jacket was black (hard to see in the photo and
lower than on the ANPX 120 photo). Also black underframe and trucks.
Black stencils over aluminum and white stencils over black.

The George Sisk photo has stencils on the side sill "RPKD 8 10 49" on
the top line and HTG - SAL on the second line. The HTG could possibly
be MTG, can't tell for sure. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Nov 15, 2007, at 1:54 PM, John Hile wrote:

I found one other photo of an Anchor LPG car in an NMRA book of
clinic
presentations from the 1990 Pittsburgh Convention. Richard gave a
presentation on tank cars, and on p.102 is a photo of ANPX 2660 (Geo.
Sisk/C. Winters) with a built date noted as 1946, but no photo date.
John,
This is being answered separately since I had to do more digging to
figure this one out. ANPX 2660 was built by AC&F in 4-5-48 (not 4-46).
The stencils are difficult to tell apart a "6" and "8."

The car had originally been delivered to Dade Gas Company. The original
reporting marks and car number areas show a rectangular area where the
original DGX reporting marks and car numbers were painted out.

The ANPX 2660 was likely the original DGX 100, one of two cars numbered
100 and 110, built by AC&F as lot number 3195. The builder's photo of
DGX 110 was built 5-48 and carried the same paint scheme as the ANPX
2660. The dome and top of the casing and heads were painted aluminum.
The very bottom of the jacket was black (hard to see in the photo and
lower than on the ANPX 120 photo). Also black underframe and trucks.
Black stencils over aluminum and white stencils over black.

The George Sisk photo has stencils on the side sill "RPKD 8 10 49" on
the top line and HTG - SAL on the second line. The HTG could possibly
be MTG, can't tell for sure. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


This is great, thanks Ed. As I understand, your info gives me two
ways to go with this car:

1) Renumber to 2710-2750 series and add platform that surrounds dome,
change blt date, other lettering OK, perhaps change trucks
2) Renumber to 2660 and repaint upper portion of lower shell and decal
that area with parts of Champ HT-160, change blt date, trucks per
photo, move brake reservoir to other side of car.

Of course both of above may be a compromise on the running board.

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA