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In a message dated 12/31/2007 10:35:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cepropst@... writes: I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly? Clark, I have used the eye shadow etc for years. You just need to be careful with the more "greasy" one as they will lump. On the other hand if you want to show surface deterioration from rust they are great. Mascara brushes work wonders for producing wheel splash on ends of cars and the small sponge brushes are fabulous for blending colors. Rich Orr **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) |
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Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly?
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Don Burn
Clark,
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I know there was a story about a model going to the NMRA convention that was scratched by a bellhop at the convention hotel, and the modelers wife repaired the scrathed weathering with makeup. The model went on to win first place in structures that year. I think I saw an article somewhere years ago about using eye-liner pencil's for modelling (but that one could have been completely out of the model railroad context). Don Burn ----- Original Message -----
From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [STMFC] giving a face lift I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly? |
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Steve SANDIFER
Leslie Eaton, MMR, swears by a particular brand of cosmetic - I don't remember which at this time. She uses it in her weathering clinics and Modeling with the Master's clinics. Not all cosmetics are created equal to the task.
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer mailto:steve.sandifer@... Home: 12027 Mulholland Dr., Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918 Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417 Personal: http://www.geocities.com/stevesandifer2000/index Church: http://www.swcentral.org ----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Propst To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: [STMFC] giving a face lift I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly? Clark Propst Mason City Iowa |
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Paul Imhoff <pjimhoff@...>
I also had a similar experience when I was with the Baton Rouge O Scalers. During storage between shows, the buildings on one of my modules were damaged, mainly by pests. One of the wives got out her makeup kit during our setup, and afterwards you couldnt tell where the damage was.
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Paul Imhoff lurking in B.R., La. ----- Original Message -----
From: Don Burn To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] giving a face lift Clark, I know there was a story about a model going to the NMRA convention that was scratched by a bellhop at the convention hotel, and the modelers wife repaired the scrathed weathering with makeup. The model went on to win first place in structures that year. I think I saw an article somewhere years ago about using eye-liner pencil's for modelling (but that one could have been completely out of the model railroad context). Don Burn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [STMFC] giving a face lift >I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make >up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of >different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on >their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's >just not manly? > Clark Propst > Mason City Iowa > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2758 (20071231) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > |
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I've never used cosmetic powders, but some brands of nail polish are
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excellent, and I'm a fan of the special sponges, brushes and tools that can be found in the cosmetics dept. Tim O'Connor -------------- Original message ----------------------
>I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make |
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Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Clark & List
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There is more truth than fiction in these comments. My daughter, at a younger age, had the usual facination with colors of makeup. One of her items was a block of great weahering shades, the other, the now familiar nail / resin file. The colors offered went from light browns and grays, to very convincing rust shades. If you've ever wanted to duplicate the blueish green on covered hoppers of rocksalt, this is the stuff to buy. What I'm talking about specifically is eye shadow colors.[forgot to say that before].One nice feature of this medium is it can be made to spread in thin layers, and faded into nothing. Get your laughter over with and go find a cheap set at Wal-Mart. It works out to be a lot cheaper than other products, even if you do feel silly buying the stuff. While you are there, don't forget the files; just look for the ones they sell in the tool catalogs for twice the price. By the way, nail polish remover is useful with q-tips for erasing printed lettering, just cut it with some water so does not eat the paint.If you think I'm pulling your leg about this, just ask a modeler who has daughters. Fred Freitas Paul Imhoff <pjimhoff@...> wrote: I also had a similar experience when I was with the Baton Rouge O Scalers. During storage between shows, the buildings on one of my modules were damaged, mainly by pests. One of the wives got out her makeup kit during our setup, and afterwards you couldnt tell where the damage was. Paul Imhoff lurking in B.R., La. ----- Original Message -----
From: Don Burn To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] giving a face lift Clark, I know there was a story about a model going to the NMRA convention that was scratched by a bellhop at the convention hotel, and the modelers wife repaired the scrathed weathering with makeup. The model went on to win first place in structures that year. I think I saw an article somewhere years ago about using eye-liner pencil's for modelling (but that one could have been completely out of the model railroad context). Don Burn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [STMFC] giving a face lift I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make |
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Schuyler Larrabee
Larry DeYoung wrote an article which was published (I think) in RMC about using makeup for
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weathering. I'm guessing that it was ~15-20 years back. SGL -----Original Message-----wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these productson their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly? |
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Jon Miller <atsf@...>
It's said that one of the very popular weathering brands is derived from makeups.
Jon Miller AT&SF For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS |
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pgrace
For those in the UK Tesco seem to do the best filing sticks that I have found.
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Patrick Grace ----- Original Message -----
From: Frederick Freitas To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] giving a face lift Clark & List There is more truth than fiction in these comments. My daughter, at a younger age, had the usual facination with colors of makeup. One of her items was a block of great weahering shades, the other, the now familiar nail / resin file. The colors offered went from light browns and grays, to very convincing rust shades. If you've ever wanted to duplicate the blueish green on covered hoppers of rocksalt, this is the stuff to buy. What I'm talking about specifically is eye shadow colors.[forgot to say that before].One nice feature of this medium is it can be made to spread in thin layers, and faded into nothing. Get your laughter over with and go find a cheap set at Wal-Mart. It works out to be a lot cheaper than other products, even if you do feel silly buying the stuff. While you are there, don't forget the files; just look for the ones they sell in the tool catalogs for twice the price. By the way, nail polish remover is useful with q-tips for erasing printed lettering, just cut it with some water so does not eat the paint.If you think I'm pulling your leg about this, just ask a modeler who has daughters. Fred Freitas Paul Imhoff <pjimhoff@...> wrote: I also had a similar experience when I was with the Baton Rouge O Scalers. During storage between shows, the buildings on one of my modules were damaged, mainly by pests. One of the wives got out her makeup kit during our setup, and afterwards you couldnt tell where the damage was. Paul Imhoff lurking in B.R., La. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Burn To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] giving a face lift Clark, I know there was a story about a model going to the NMRA convention that was scratched by a bellhop at the convention hotel, and the modelers wife repaired the scrathed weathering with makeup. The model went on to win first place in structures that year. I think I saw an article somewhere years ago about using eye-liner pencil's for modelling (but that one could have been completely out of the model railroad context). Don Burn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [STMFC] giving a face lift >I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make >up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of >different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on >their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's >just not manly? > Clark Propst > Mason City Iowa > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2758 (20071231) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > |
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Steve SANDIFER
I talked to Leslie Eaton today to clarify her methods. She is a very gifted modeler.
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Her choice of cosmetic for weathering is MAC. http://www.maccosmetics.com She reports that they are highly pigmented, have no glitter, and are extremely stable. You can put a clear seal over them without the effect changing. However, she says she has cars that have been handled in numerous train shows over the past few years that have not had smearing or the weathering wear off. These are high quality = high cost. But a little goes a long way and lasts forever. In Houston MAC has two dedicated stores and are sold at places like Macy's, Nordstrom, and Saks Fifth Avenue. Here are her color suggestions: Face Powder Blush: a.. Raizin - rust b.. Coppertone - lighter rust, often used together with Raizin Eye Shadow a.. Charcoal brown - mud spatter, such as 1' on the walls around the base of a building, general weathering b.. Omega - general brown, lighter than charcoal brown, light dirt c.. Bisque - lighter still, ballast dust on the lower portion of railcars d.. Brun - very dark brown/black, oily look, for oil on a concrete floor, dark oily areas on locomotives, tire skid marks e.. Carbon - matte black f.. Scene - gray g.. Greystone - bluish gray, soot from steam locos. ______________ J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer mailto:steve.sandifer@... Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918 Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417 ----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Propst To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: [STMFC] giving a face lift I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly? Clark Propst Mason City Iowa |
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Philip Dove <philip.dove@...>
I went to an NMRA clinic in St Louis or Kansas city, where IIRC Leslie was doing a clinic on weathering brick structures with makeup, the results were extremely good, and very convincing. The great advantage of makeup is that it's meant to stay in place, once you've put a smear or slight dusting on. many of the tips she gave were very good, they including using New Hypodermic needles for drilling plastic, ( a darned sight cheaper than small drills) and all the bits about using makeup and it's accoutrements for model making. I find British cosmetics all appear to be too bright or just the wrong colour. Anyone know of situations that led to pink blush coloured weathering on a freight car?
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Regards Philip Dove ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sandifer To: STMFC@... Sent: 01 January 2008 02:02 Subject: Re: [STMFC] giving a face lift I talked to Leslie Eaton today to clarify her methods. She is a very gifted modeler. Her choice of cosmetic for weathering is MAC. http://www.maccosmetics.com She reports that they are highly pigmented, have no glitter, and are extremely stable. You can put a clear seal over them without the effect changing. However, she says she has cars that have been handled in numerous train shows over the past few years that have not had smearing or the weathering wear off. These are high quality = high cost. But a little goes a long way and lasts forever. In Houston MAC has two dedicated stores and are sold at places like Macy's, Nordstrom, and Saks Fifth Avenue. Here are her color suggestions: Face Powder Blush: a.. Raizin - rust b.. Coppertone - lighter rust, often used together with Raizin Eye Shadow a.. Charcoal brown - mud spatter, such as 1' on the walls around the base of a building, general weathering b.. Omega - general brown, lighter than charcoal brown, light dirt c.. Bisque - lighter still, ballast dust on the lower portion of railcars d.. Brun - very dark brown/black, oily look, for oil on a concrete floor, dark oily areas on locomotives, tire skid marks e.. Carbon - matte black f.. Scene - gray g.. Greystone - bluish gray, soot from steam locos. ______________ J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer mailto:steve.sandifer@... Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918 Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417 ----- Original Message ----- From: Clark Propst To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: [STMFC] giving a face lift I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly? Clark Propst Mason City Iowa |
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Todd Stearns <toddsyr@...>
Just a note. I'm pretty sure possession of a hypodermic needle in NY state by non-medical personnel is a felony.
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Schuyler Larrabee
Not . . . . .necessarily. Many states changed that law to cater to the druggies, and help keep
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hepatitis and AIDS transmission down, and it has helped. But that should be checked. IIRC, you can buy them in CVS here in Massachusetts. SGL -----Original Message-----personnel is a felony.
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Todd Stearns wrote:
Just a note. I'm pretty sure possession of a hypodermic needle in NY state by non-medical personnel is a felony.I doubt it. Many diabetics and others have to give themselves injections. But it might require a prescription. Either way, it's a dumb law--that's what's caused all the "dirty needle" problems with addicts. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Not true in NYS.
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http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseases/aids/harm_reduction/needles_syringes/esap/pharm.htm Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY ----- Original Message -----
Todd Stearns wrote:Just a note. I'm pretty sure possession of a hypodermic needle in NYI doubt it. Many diabetics and others have to give themselves |
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Todd Stearns <toddsyr@...>
Okay, looks like I stand corrected. It used to be illegal though, except of course with a medical need. I just wanted to warn folks because I didn't want anyone getting into trouble. By the way, the "dirty needle" problem is caused by drug addicts, not dumb laws. Though NY does have it's share of both.
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Walter M. Clark
--- In STMFC@..., "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> wrote:
the make up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly? Clark PropstClark, I bought a heavy duty tweezer at a drug store cosmetics section several years ago, much stronger than the normal ones, yet smaller and easier to use than the smallest needle nose pliers in my tool box. I use emery boards all the time for light filing, too. Walter M. Clark Time stopped in November 1941 Riverside, California |
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Clark,
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I did try some of these years ago and although they appear to be good for earthtones they have some mica or glittery elements mixed into them. I have found some good quality tweezers and decal cutting scissors in the make-up section as well as the Black 2 grit nailboards. The boards are one of my favorite tools for sanding parting lines, nibs and stuff on resin and plastic freight cars. Yes it is manly, Rob Manley ----- Original Message -----
From: wmcclark1980 To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: giving a face lift --- In STMFC@..., "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> wrote: > > I was 'shopping' with my wife yesterday and we spent some time in the make up section. While my wife was looking for whatever I noticed a lot of different colored chalks and powers. Has anyone tried these products on their models? You never read about this type of weathering....maybe it's just not manly? > Clark Propst > Mason City Iowa > > > Clark, I bought a heavy duty tweezer at a drug store cosmetics section several years ago, much stronger than the normal ones, yet smaller and easier to use than the smallest needle nose pliers in my tool box. I use emery boards all the time for light filing, too. Walter M. Clark Time stopped in November 1941 Riverside, California |
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Philip Dove <philip.dove@...>
Rob,
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Not all the makeup's have glitter in them. Try asking the Cosmetic consultant if she can recommend a matt finish powder or blusher suitable for your freight cars. Regards Philip Dove ----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Manley To: STMFC@... Sent: 08 January 2008 03:07 Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: giving a face lift |
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