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Prototypes for 6' 6/6/5 "upside down" youngstown door
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Andy Carlson
I have a small list of verified users of the 6' wide Youngstown post-war steel 6/6/5 door. Ted Culotta has a UP B-50-39 40' 6" ACR HO boxcar resin kit which (witch) uses Dan Hall's accurate door. I have some additions:
Great Northern 40'-0" IL 8 panel plywood sided boxcar # series 10800-10899, the last 100 single door plywood boxcars built new by the GN in 1947. These are the only cars I have found where a nominally 10-6 IH door was used on a 10-0 IH car, a practice GN often followed. Gulf Mobile & Ohio 40'-6" IL 10 panel riveted single door 10'-6" IH boxcar # series 21000-22419 with 1419 cars listed within the group in 1953, built in 1947. Nashville Chattanooga & St. Louis 40'-6" IL single door 10 panel riveted steel boxcar # series 19000-19499 with R+3/4 IDE, built in 1947. Norfolk Southern (original) 40'-6" IL single door 10 panel riveted steel boxcar # series 27000-27249 class XM5 with 4/4 IDE, built in 1947 Union Pacific 40'6" IL 10 panel ACR riveted steel single door boxcar, series 197000-198999 class B-50-39 built in 1947. I have photo documentation for all of the above acquired from the Gerstley late 50's color slide collection. I have just screened the the "G" through "N", so hopefully, I will find other examples. Feel free to add to this list. Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA |
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Andy
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This door is called a YSD-2A in Hawkins-speak, or a 5/5/4 (Ed counts the ribs instead of the panels). See Ed's article in Railmodel Journal, October 1999. The article correctly identifies the B-50-39 door, as well as the NC&StL, NS, and GM&O (see correction) -- but not the GN cars! Here are some more in his list. ATSF Bx-48 ATSF Bx-50 ATSF Bx-53 ATSF Bx-62 ATSF Bx-63 (?) GM&O 21000-21749 (21750-21999 had 7p Superior doors) ITC 6500-6849 MONON 251-500 GOC 222-251 GA 29000-29049 A&WP 37600-37649 WofA 17600-17649 WABASH 88200-88699 WP 20551-20800 SOU 23000-23241 SOU 23269-23299 SOU 23473-23486 SOU 262040-262049 SOU 307025-307027 SOU 330000-330499 (NO&NE) Branchline produced kits for the Southern 23000 cars but I did not consult my references before building the kits so I have the wrong doors on them. Tim O'Connor At 1/13/2008 01:16 AM Sunday, you wrote:
I have a small list of verified users of the 6' wide Youngstown post-war steel 6/6/5 door. Ted Culotta has a UP B-50-39 40' 6" ACR HO boxcar resin kit which (witch) uses Dan Hall's accurate door. I have some additions: |
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Andy Carlson
From Tim O'Connor, Ed Hawkins and my own observations. This has been shared
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before on the STMFC list. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA This door is called a YSD-2A in Hawkins-speak, or a 5/5/4 (Ed counts the ribs instead of the panels). See Ed's article in Railmodel Journal, October 1999. The article correctly identifies the B-50-39 door, as well as the NC&StL, NS, and GM&O (see correction) -- but not the GN cars! Here are some more in his list. ATSF Bx-48 ATSF Bx-50 ATSF Bx-53 ATSF Bx-62 ATSF Bx-63 (?) GM&O 21000-21749 (21750-21999 had 7p Superior doors) ITC 6500-6849 MONON 251-500 GOC 222-251 GA 29000-29049 A&WP 37600-37649 WofA 17600-17649 WABASH 88200-88699 WP 20551-20800 SOU 23000-23241 SOU 23269-23299 SOU 23473-23486 SOU 262040-262049 SOU 307025-307027 SOU 330000-330499 (NO&NE) At 1/13/2008 01:16 AM Sunday, you wrote:
I have a small list of verified users of the 6' wide Youngstown post-war steel |
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Andy, you can add
GM&O 22000- 22419 built 1947 ACF lot 3141 L&N 19000- 19499 built 1947 PS lot 5866 ------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Carlson wrote This door is called a YSD-2A in Hawkins-speak, or a 5/5/4 (Ed counts the ribs instead of the panels). See Ed's article in Railmodel Journal, October 1999. The article correctly identifies the B-50-39 door, as well as the NC&StL, NS, and GM&O (see correction) -- but not the GN cars! Here are some more in his list. ATSF Bx-48 ATSF Bx-50 ATSF Bx-53 ATSF Bx-62 ATSF Bx-63 (?) GM&O 21000-21749 (21750-21999 had 7p Superior doors) ITC 6500-6849 MONON 251-500 GOC 222-251 GA 29000-29049 A&WP 37600-37649 WofA 17600-17649 WABASH 88200-88699 WP 20551-20800 SOU 23000-23241 SOU 23269-23299 SOU 23473-23486 SOU 262040-262049 SOU 307025-307027 SOU 330000-330499 (NO&NE) I have a small list of verified users of the 6' wide Youngstown post-war steel 6/6/5 door. Ted Culotta has a UP B-50-39 40' 6" ACR HO boxcar resin kit which uses Dan Hall's accurate door. I have some additions: Great Northern 40'-0" IL 8 panel plywood sided boxcar # series 10800-10899, the last 100 single door plywood boxcars built new by the GN in 1947. These are the only cars I have found where a nominally 10-6 IH door was used on a 10-0 IH car, a practice GN often followed. Gulf Mobile & Ohio 40'-6" IL 10 panel riveted single door 10'-6" IH boxcar #series 21000-22419 with 1419 cars listed within the group in 1953, built in 1947. Nashville Chattanooga & St. Louis 40'-6" IL single door 10 panel riveted steel boxcar # series 19000-19499 with R+3/4 IDE, built in 1947. Norfolk Southern (original) 40'-6" IL single door 10 panel riveted steel boxcar # series 27000-27249 class XM5 with 4/4 IDE, built in 1947 Union Pacific 40'6" IL 10 panel ACR riveted steel single door boxcar, series 197000-198999 class B-50-39 built in 1947. I have photo documentation for all of the above acquired from the Gerstley late 50's color slide collection. I have just screened the the "G" through "N", so hopefully, I will find other examples. Feel free to add to this list. Thanks, |
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Todd Horton
What road is GOC? Todd Horton
________________________________ From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> To: Steam Era <stmfc@...> Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 10:09:27 AM Subject: [STMFC] Prototypes for 6' 6/6/5 "upside down" youngstown door From Tim O'Connor, Ed Hawkins and my own observations. This has been shared before on the STMFC list. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA This door is called a YSD-2A in Hawkins-speak, or a 5/5/4 (Ed counts the ribs instead of the panels). See Ed's article in Railmodel Journal, October 1999. The article correctly identifies the B-50-39 door, as well as the NC&StL, NS, and GM&O (see correction) -- but not the GN cars! Here are some more in his list. ATSF Bx-48 ATSF Bx-50 ATSF Bx-53 ATSF Bx-62 ATSF Bx-63 (?) GM&O 21000-21749 (21750-21999 had 7p Superior doors) ITC 6500-6849 MONON 251-500 GOC 222-251 GA 29000-29049 A&WP 37600-37649 WofA 17600-17649 WABASH 88200-88699 WP 20551-20800 SOU 23000-23241 SOU 23269-23299 SOU 23473-23486 SOU 262040-262049 SOU 307025-307027 SOU 330000-330499 (NO&NE) At 1/13/2008 01:16 AM Sunday, you wrote: I have a small list of verified users of the 6' wide Youngstown post-war steel last 100 single door plywood boxcars built new by the GN in 1947. These are the only cars I have found where a nominally 10-6 IH door was used on a 10-0 IH car, # series 27000-27249 class XM5 with 4/4 IDE, built in 1947 50's color slide collection. I have just screened the the "G" through "N", so[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Mar 9, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Todd Horton wrote:
What road is GOC? Todd HortonGulf Oil Co. For some obscure reason, Gulf owned box cars as well as tank cars in the '50s. Richard Hendrickson |
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Todd Horton
Wow, I had no idea Richard. Do photos exist of these cars? Todd Horton
________________________________ From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 10:21:54 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Prototypes for 6' 6/6/5 "upside down" youngstown door On Mar 9, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Todd Horton wrote: What road is GOC? Todd HortonGulf Oil Co. For some obscure reason, Gulf owned box cars as well as tank cars in the '50s. Richard Hendrickson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Todd
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The cars did not operate in interchange. According to Ed Hawkins' article in the October 1999 Railmodel Journal, the cars were not equipped with an AB brake system! Tim O'Connor At 3/10/2011 12:57 AM Thursday, you wrote:
Wow, I had no idea Richard. Do photos exist of these cars? Todd Horton |
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mopacfirst
There is a builder's photo of one of these cars, which is in the referenced article -- I saw it the other day.
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Knowing something about refinery complexes, I would throw out a conjecture that these cars could have been used to transport canned motor oil and similar stuff. The cans could have been supplied by an outside vendor, delivered to a Gulf warehouse at the edge of the property by common carrier cars, then these GOC cars could have been used to shuttle cans to the lube oil canning plant, and full cans to the outbound warehouse. Thirty cars seems like an excessive number, unless they were also used as rolling storage. In later years, perhaps by the sixties, the canning plants may have been moved to more accessible locations and the lube oil and other products would have traveled from the units where they were produced by captive pipeline. Who knows where the redundant cars went. Ron Merrick --- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Jared Harper
Interviewing small bulk oil dealers on the Alma branch I discovered a lot of canned and drummed petroleum products were delivered in box cars back in the steam era.
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Jared Harper Athens, GA --- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
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