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Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I finally received my Atlas trucks that I ordered a long time ago. I know it was for something ATSF but also I also have the TMW Bettendorf Swing Motion for my cabeese. The Atlas trucks are similar but why did I order them <VBG>?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 10, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

I finally received my Atlas trucks that I ordered a long time ago. I
know it was for something ATSF but also I also have the TMW
Bettendorf Swing
Motion for my cabeese. The Atlas trucks are similar but why did I
order
them <VBG>?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Richard Hendrickson
Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 10, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

I finally received my Atlas trucks that I ordered a long time ago. I
know it was for something ATSF but also I also have the TMW
Bettendorf Swing
Motion for my cabeese. The Atlas trucks are similar but why did I
order
them <VBG>?
There would be a simple answer to this question except that you model
1941, Jon. The Tahoe trucks model the original Bettendorf Swing Motion
design of the 1920s and early 1930s; the Atlas trucks model the later
Swing Motion caboose truck design of the 1940s and '50s, as made by the
Standard Car Truck Co. after they took over Bettendorf's patent. The
later style swing motion truck was used on the wartime (1942-'43) Santa
Fe steel cabooses. But of course you can't model those; all of the
steel cabooses in service in 1941 were built in 1931 or earlier and had
the early style Bettendorf trucks.

Richard Hendrickson
Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

The Atlas plain bearing caboose truck replicates the 50 ton version of the Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose Truck, based on its shape and the beading on the side frame's face that encircles the windows only. The only railroads I've found that used this version were PRR, who replaced the original trucks on a few cabins, and Great Northern, series X106 to 115, built 1967.

The 30 ton version, which Richard mentioned, will be available in HO from Tahoe Model Works in a couple of weeks. The prototype was manufactured from 1935 through the late 1950s, at least. Both Bettendorf and Standard Car Truck Co. (who added their trade name "Barber" to the truck's name) offered this side frame design. Bettendorf left the market in 1942 and sold all rights for the Swing Motion caboose truck to SCTCo. Over forty railroads used it.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Atlas trucks


On Feb 10, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

I finally received my Atlas trucks that I ordered a long time ago. I
know it was for something ATSF but also I also have the TMW
Bettendorf Swing
Motion for my cabeese. The Atlas trucks are similar but why did I
order
them <VBG>?
There would be a simple answer to this question except that you model
1941, Jon. The Tahoe trucks model the original Bettendorf Swing Motion
design of the 1920s and early 1930s; the Atlas trucks model the later
Swing Motion caboose truck design of the 1940s and '50s, as made by the
Standard Car Truck Co. after they took over Bettendorf's patent. The
later style swing motion truck was used on the wartime (1942-'43) Santa
Fe steel cabooses. But of course you can't model those; all of the
steel cabooses in service in 1941 were built in 1931 or earlier and had
the early style Bettendorf trucks.

Richard Hendrickson
Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

The only railroads I've found that used this version were PRR, who replaced the original trucks on a few cabins, and Great Northern,<
I must have ordered them before you had even announced yours then. I do know it's been a long time and at the time there was some discussion about them.

The 30 ton version, which Richard mentioned, will be available in HO from Tahoe Model Works in a couple of weeks<
Richard's email came to me with just my comments and none of his. So who used the 30 ton versions?

And last I guess I should sell my Atlas trucks, anyone need them?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Jon,

Here's some railroads that had some cabooses with the upcoming TMW caboose truck:

AC&Y, Alton, Ann Arbor, AT&SF, B&M, Belt Railway of Chicago, C&O, C&EI, CGW, C&IM, CNW, Clinchfield, DM&IR, D&RGW, GBW, GM&O, GN, KO&G, L&N, LNE, MP, M&St.L, NH, NKP, NYC, NP, Norfolk Southern (original), N&W, NYS&W, Pere Marquette, PH&D, P&WV, SAL, SP&S, SP, TN&O, TRRA, Virginian, and Wabash.

Glad you asked,

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Atlas trucks


The only railroads I've found that used this version were PRR, who
replaced the original trucks on a few cabins, and Great Northern,<
I must have ordered them before you had even announced yours then. I do
know it's been a long time and at the time there was some discussion about
them.

The 30 ton version, which Richard mentioned, will be available in HO from
Tahoe Model Works in a couple of weeks<
Richard's email came to me with just my comments and none of his. So
who used the 30 ton versions?

And last I guess I should sell my Atlas trucks, anyone need them?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
James Fellows
 

Does this mean I need to swap out all the trucks under my Atlas models of the NH NE-6s I have? Does Tahoe Model Works have a web site?

Thanks,

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Leppert
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Atlas trucks


Jon,

Here's some railroads that had some cabooses with the upcoming TMW caboose
truck:

AC&Y, Alton, Ann Arbor, AT&SF, B&M, Belt Railway of Chicago, C&O, C&EI, CGW,
C&IM, CNW, Clinchfield, DM&IR, D&RGW, GBW, GM&O, GN, KO&G, L&N, LNE, MP,
M&St.L, NH, NKP, NYC, NP, Norfolk Southern (original), N&W, NYS&W, Pere
Marquette, PH&D, P&WV, SAL, SP&S, SP, TN&O, TRRA, Virginian, and Wabash.

Glad you asked,

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Atlas trucks

> >The only railroads I've found that used this version were PRR, who
>>replaced the original trucks on a few cabins, and Great Northern,<
>
> I must have ordered them before you had even announced yours then. I
> do
> know it's been a long time and at the time there was some discussion about
> them.
>
>>The 30 ton version, which Richard mentioned, will be available in HO from
>>Tahoe Model Works in a couple of weeks<
>
> Richard's email came to me with just my comments and none of his. So
> who used the 30 ton versions?
>
> And last I guess I should sell my Atlas trucks, anyone need them?
>
> Jon Miller
> AT&SF
> For me time has stopped in 1941
> Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
> NMRA Life member #2623
> Member SFRH&MS
Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Jim,

Replacing all your trucks sounds like a great idea to me (VBG). My new caboose truck is appropriate for both the NE-5 and NE-6 New Haven cabooses.
There is no web site--yet.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

.----- Original Message -----
From: "James Fellows" <jamesfellows@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Atlas trucks


Does this mean I need to swap out all the trucks under my Atlas models of the NH NE-6s I have? Does Tahoe Model Works have a web site?

Thanks,

Jim Fellows
Jonathan Grant <jonagrant@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

Here's some railroads that had some cabooses with the upcoming TMW
caboose
truck: Belt Railway of Chicago,


Brian,

you've got my interest already. When will the trucks become
available? I have a few BRC cabooses just waiting for them to appear

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/11252


If they're half as good as the 50t Dalman trucks, I'll be a very
happy bunny.

Jon
Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Jon,

Neat little cabooses!
The trucks should be ready in a couple of weeks.
Do you know the full number series and built date for these?

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Grant" <jonagrant@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas trucks



Brian, you've got my interest already. When will the trucks become available? I have a few BRC cabooses just waiting for them to appear
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/11252
If they're half as good as the 50t Dalman trucks, I'll be a very happy bunny.
Jon
Jonathan Grant <jonagrant@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:
Neat little cabooses!
The trucks should be ready in a couple of weeks.
Do you know the full number series and built date for these?


Thanks Brian. They are converted from the Athearn bay window caboose.

There are 2 slightly different styles with different window placement
and end/pilot handrails and they probably date from the 1940s.

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/13485

The earlier style with windows closer to the centre are numbered from
201 to at least 220, although I don't know if every number was used.
the cabs with the windows closer to the ends are numbered from at
least 223 to 229. Again I don't know if the numbers were consecutive.

That's the price I pay for being English - no reference material over
here other than the internet.



Jon Grant
North East England
Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

John--

Very nice work on those cabeese!

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Jonathan Grant" <jonagrant@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@> wrote:
Neat little cabooses!
The trucks should be ready in a couple of weeks.
Do you know the full number series and built date for these?


Thanks Brian. They are converted from the Athearn bay window
caboose.

There are 2 slightly different styles with different window
placement
and end/pilot handrails and they probably date from the 1940s.

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/13485

The earlier style with windows closer to the centre are numbered
from
201 to at least 220, although I don't know if every number was
used.
the cabs with the windows closer to the ends are numbered from at
least 223 to 229. Again I don't know if the numbers were
consecutive.

That's the price I pay for being English - no reference material
over
here other than the internet.



Jon Grant
North East England
Charlie Vlk
 

The BRC cars were the basis for the Kato "Shorty" cupola caboose in N Scale.
I measured several preserved cars and made scale drawings for the factory.
The two series are different lengths. Both are Morrison "standard" cars that
use common details. A bunch of other railroads had such cars... they could
specify no cupola, cupola, bay window, length, interior arrangements, etc. but
the car construction was standardized.
Kato did the cupola version first, which it turns out, was very close to cars built
for the Cambria & Indiana. The cars were not as popular as I had hoped and the
Transfer and Bay Window versions have not made it to market because of it.
Nice kitbashes of the BRC cars!!!
Charlie Vlk
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