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AUTO BOX RESPONSE
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Earl Tuson
"Is there a resourse for understanding how they shipped Ford Model TAgain, this does not answer your question directly, either, but here are the cars hauling automobile or auto parts traffic in a 1929-30 B&M Wheel Report: Marks No. Desg From To IL IW IH Cuft Tons Lading CGW 80284 XA 80000 80398 40.06 9 10 3746 40 Auto Bodies CNW 35168 XA 34900 36898 40.06 9.02 10 3668 40 Auto Bodies CCC&StL 91672 XAF 91000 91999 40.06 8.09 10 3544 55 Autos MC 89468 XA 89000 89999 40.06 9.02 10 3713 55 Autos NYC 55282 XA 54000 55999 40.06 9.02 10 3713 55 Autos NYC 55847 XA 54000 55999 40.06 9.02 10 3713 55 Autos NYC 56331 XAR 56000 56399 40.06 9.03 10 3719 40 Autos The two loads of auto bodies, unlike all the automobiles, were waybilled <to> Detroit. Earl Tuson
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
These illustrate some of the pre-Evans auto loader era automobile
cars of the NYCS: CCC&StL 91672 - Lot 585-B, steel, built 1929: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-585.jpg MC 89468 - Lot 590-B, steel, built 1929: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-590.jpg NYC 55282, NYC 55847 - Lot 610-B, steel, built 1930: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-610.jpg http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-55999.jpg NYC 56331: This one has me puzzled; the number series popped up as Lot 633-B, steel automobile boxcars rebuilt in 1935 from Lot 357-B DS automobile boxcars, which is obviously after the 1929-1930 date on the wheel reports. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-633.jpg http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-56000.jpg These are distinctively New York Central cars, and lasted well into the 1960s; unfortunately, there are no kits available for them. Ben Hom
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water.kresse@...
Earl,
Thanks for the insite. By 1928 the standard AAR auto-boxes had changed the clearance envelop and auto-boxes were starting to get bigger . . . but the smaller ones would still be around. Al Recent Activity 5New Members 5New Files Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Game Day Companion Live fantasy league & game stats on TV. Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more.
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Tony Thompson
Thanks for the insite. By 1928 the standard AAR auto-boxes had changed the clearance envelop and auto-boxes were starting to get bigger . . . but the smaller ones would still be around.You mean, of course, the ARA, since the AAR came along in 1934; and there really wasn't a "standard" ARA automobile car that I know of. The AAR adopted such a standard in 1942. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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water.kresse@...
Tony,
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You are correct. I was looking at a 1937 CBC and they (AAR) were making historical references to post-USRA structural problems. You are also correct that I wasn't able to find a standard double-sheathed auto-box that matched the C&O 82000 and HV 34000 series 40' 6" auto boxes blt in 1924-25. Al
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From: Tony Thompson <thompsonmarytony@...> Thanks for the insite. By 1928 the standard AAR auto-boxes hadYou mean, of course, the ARA, since the AAR came along in 1934; and there really wasn't a "standard" ARA automobile car that I know of. The AAR adopted such a standard in 1942. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Al Kresse wrote:
"By 1928 the standard AAR auto-boxes had changed the clearance envelope and auto-boxes were starting to get bigger . . . but the smaller ones would still be around." Al, do you have a reference to back that statement? Automobile boxcars c. 1928 were still relatively small cars; the PRR Class X28 were 9 ft 3 in IH cars. The New York Central cars in Earl's post that were built in 1929 were indeed taller cars at 10 ft IH but lacked Evans auto loaders. The appliance that would force the development was the Evans Auto Loader, which required a taller car to accomodate both the extra automobiles when loaded and to stow the loader when empty or when the car was used to handle other freight. Widespread use of these taller automobile cars would not occur until 1934 with the introduction of the PRR Class X31 automobile boxcars. The older automobile boxcars were still around, but they would be bumped from finished automobile service, with some rebuilt into general service boxcars such as the PRR Class X28A or N&W Class BPA. Ben Hom
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water.kresse@...
Ben,
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The same applies to Tony's response. I had a 1937 CBC that had references back to December 1928 and then later showed a Plate B clearance diagram. I was not careful about what had transpired in the book mixing old with new info. When did that new plate accually take affect? Al
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From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> Al Kresse wrote: "By 1928 the standard AAR auto-boxes had changed the clearance envelope and auto-boxes were starting to get bigger . . . but the smaller ones would still be around." Al, do you have a reference to back that statement? Automobile boxcars c. 1928 were still relatively small cars; the PRR Class X28 were 9 ft 3 in IH cars. The New York Central cars in Earl's post that were built in 1929 were indeed taller cars at 10 ft IH but lacked Evans auto loaders. The appliance that would force the development was the Evans Auto Loader, which required a taller car to accomodate both the extra automobiles when loaded and to stow the loader when empty or when the car was used to handle other freight. Widespread use of these taller automobile cars would not occur until 1934 with the introduction of the PRR Class X31 automobile boxcars. The older automobile boxcars were still around, but they would be bumped from finished automobile service, with some rebuilt into general service boxcars such as the PRR Class X28A or N&W Class BPA. Ben Hom
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Jeff English
The car number cited by Earl, NYC 56331, must be in error since there
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were no 56000-series numbers assigned before the Lot 633-B cars Ben cites below. Earl, could it be other than 56? Jeff English Troy, New York
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Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 17, 2008, at 1:07 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:
The appliance that would force the development was the Evans AutoAll true as far as it goes, but Ben's perspective here is that of a historian and modeler whose primary interest is eastern RRs. Ten foot high automobile cars, many of the 50'6" in length, were common in the 1920s on many western railroads (ATSF, SP, UP, GN, NP, WP) and some east-of-the-Rockies lines like the MoPac and CB&Q, though rare on RRs east of the Mississippi owing to their limited clearances. Such cars were easily converted for use with Evans racks, and many were so converted. By contrast, eastern RRs had to build new, taller cars like the PRR X31s to accommodate Evans racks. Richard Hendrickson
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Earl Tuson
NYC 56331: This one has me puzzled; the number series popped up asGood eye, Ben. There are actually two trains at the end of the book from 1936, which this car was from, and I failed to note that previously. My apologies. Earl Tuson
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