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6 Dome wine tank cars
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Eddie <eddiestavleu@...>
My first question.
Have looked and read lots of the posts on wine cars , there is a lot of information. But where can I find some photos preferably in color of 6 dome wine tank cars. Would like to paint some in correct scemes. Thank you Eddie Stavleu Australia |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Eddie wrote:
Have looked and read lots of the posts on wine cars , there is a lotColor photos of six compartment wine cars are few and far between, and generally date from the 1960s or later, well beyond the steam era. B/W photos are another matter; I have many of those, and for most cars they're adequate because both GATX and SHPX painted their wine tank cars aluminum with black underframes and bottom sheets and black lettering. Most had only reporting marks, numbers, and data. In a few cases, cars were in assigned service to a particular winery but the lettering identifying the lessee was also usually black and in those rare instances where the lettering was partly in color (e.g. Roma Wine), the color of the lettering is known. If you can give me a clearer idea of the cars you want to model, I can send you some scans off-list. Richard Hendrickson |
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Eddie Stavleu <eddiestavleu@...>
Thank you Richard
I would appreciate some photos and if you know any letter colors that would be great. From what I have seen way back there was a ROMA MADERA and a MARTINI and a AMBROSI / AMBROSE I have the HO Roco cars that will do me for these. D&RGW had one as a water car for MOW Thanking you Eddie Stavleu Australia > But where can I find some photos preferably in color of 6 dome wine > tank cars. Would like to paint some in correct scemes. Color photos of six compartment wine cars are few and far between, and generally date from Recent Activity a.. 7New Members b.. 1New Photos c.. 6New Files Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Game Day Companion Live fantasy league & game stats on TV. Yahoo! News Kevin Sites Get coverage of world crises. All-Bran Day 10 Club on Yahoo! Groups Feel better with fiber. . |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Eddie Stavleu wrote:
I have the HO Roco cars that will do me for these. D&RGW had one as a water car for MOWIf these are only stand-in or "fun" cars, the Roco ones are fine, but be aware they are not even close to a prototype. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Eddie Stavleu <eddiestavleu@...>
Tony,
Beggars can't be choosers, I know that they are not 100% but then. No one will know here in Australia and if they do then they need to give me where they got the info from. Question, Do you have any photos in color of the said cars ? Preferably with the wine names on them. Thanks Eddie Stavleu. If these are only stand-in or "fun" cars, the Roco ones are fine, but be aware they are not even close to a prototype. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA Recent Activity a.. 6New Members b.. 1New Photos c.. 7New Files Visit Your Group Health Zone Look your best! Groups to help you look & feel great. Yahoo! News Fashion News What's the word on fashion and style? Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. . |
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Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
Now I realize these are "train set" cars, but what I've read says that the biggest problem with them is the fact that they are uninsulated. The AHM car I got with my set back in '72 or so *is* insulated, so I wonder if that makes them closer to something?
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From: Anthony Thompson Eddie Stavleu wrote: I have the HO Roco cars that will do me for these. D&RGW had one as aIf these are only stand-in or "fun" cars, the Roco ones are fine, but be aware they are not even close to a prototype. |
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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Kurt,
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I think you are going to discover that the tank is too large, and maybe the expansion domes are as well. IIRC, AHM's original tank car was a knock-off of the oversized Athearn 3-dome tank car. Later the frame and bottom sheet tooling were reused to make more oversized "models" of certain other tank cars, including the 6-dome wine cars. Back in those days, almost nobody noticed or cared. The AHM car should dimension out to around 11,000 U.S. gallons, which is probably way too large for the real wine cars (likely around 8,000 U.S. gallons). If you check Jim Eager's D&RGW book (you do have this book don't you?), you will find a photo of the water car you mentioned earlier. I don't have my copy at had, but Jim usually gives the facts like the capacity in his text. If you don't have this book, let me know and I will check for you next week. In short, your car is probably going to be a stand-in, and if you don't mind, that's fine. By the way, I seem to recall that this tank fit the Athearn frame and bottom sheet. Even though it will still be a "stand-in", the Athearn parts are much better than the AHM, and will have the advantage of coupler draft gear mounted on the frame instead of "taglo" trucks. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Kurt Laughlin wrote: Now I realize these are "train set" cars, but what I've read says that the biggest problem with them is the fact that they are uninsulated. The AHM car I got with my set back in '72 or so *is* insulated, so I wonder if that makes them closer to something? |
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Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
Thanks Garth, but I'm not the one looking at modeling these cars - I just posted out of curiousity.
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From: Garth G. Groff To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 6 Dome wine tank cars Kurt, I think you are going to discover that the tank is too large, and maybe the expansion domes are as well. IIRC, AHM's original tank car was a knock-off of the oversized Athearn 3-dome tank car. Later the frame and bottom sheet tooling were reused to make more oversized "models" of certain other tank cars, including the 6-dome wine cars. Back in those days, almost nobody noticed or cared. The AHM car should dimension out to around 11,000 U.S. gallons, which is probably way too large for the real wine cars (likely around 8,000 U.S. gallons). If you check Jim Eager's D&RGW book (you do have this book don't you?), you will find a photo of the water car you mentioned earlier. I don't have my copy at had, but Jim usually gives the facts like the capacity in his text. If you don't have this book, let me know and I will check for you next week. In short, your car is probably going to be a stand-in, and if you don't mind, that's fine. By the way, I seem to recall that this tank fit the Athearn frame and bottom sheet. Even though it will still be a "stand-in", the Athearn parts are much better than the AHM, and will have the advantage of coupler draft gear mounted on the frame instead of "taglo" trucks. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Kurt Laughlin wrote: Now I realize these are "train set" cars, but what I've read says that the |
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Jon Miller <atsf@...>
I was a metal kit for one (Thomas?) in a couple of paint schemes. The kit had a smaller tank (6K?) but also many things wrong with it. They show up on ebay occasionally and usually get a good price (40-50 range).
Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Garth G. Groff wrote:
I think you are going to discover that the tank is too large, andAll true, and wine tank cars were actually about 6,000 gals. capacity, so the AHM model is close to twice the size of its intended prototype. Calling it a "stand-in" is excessively kind. Richard Hendrickson |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Jon Miller wrote:
I was a metal kit for one (Thomas?) in a couple of paint schemes. The kit had a smaller tank (6K?) but also many things wrong with it. They show up on ebay occasionally and usually get a good price (40-50 range).Jon, you are right that some aspects of the Thomas cars are crude--grab irons, underframe details--but the TANKS and the DOMES are quite good proportions. I have re-detailed several of them as a result, because there is no straightforward alternative. I have snapped them up at railroadiana shows for just this reason . . . but sure never paid $40+ for one!! Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
All true, and wine tank cars were actually about 6,000 gals. capacity, so the AHM model is close to twice the size of its intended prototype. Calling it a "stand-in" is excessively kind.I've often said that the Roco folks evidently dimensioned out the 6000-gallon tank and then inflated it with air pressure to make it fit a 40-foot underframe. Both tank and domes have that "blown up" look when you compare to a real 6-dome car. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Jon Miller <atsf@...>
One on ebay right now. $30 start. Item number: 110225424273.
Have fun<VBG>! |
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Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
Posted by: "Anthony Thompson" Jon, you are right that some aspects of the Thomas cars are crude--grab irons, underframe details--but the TANKS and the DOMES are quite good proportions. I have re-detailed several of them as a result, because there is no straightforward alternative. $40+ for one!!
-------- Thnks for that info. I'm still running gone of those cars that I built in 1951. Nice to hear the proportions are ok. The details may have been crude, but the material was very prototypical - all metal. That reminds me of another oldie of which I run several - the Varney steel box cars and reefers. I've wanted to resurrect a few more, but the plastic roof walks are warped upward at the ends and look pretty bad. Can anyone tell me what is a good replacement. The problem with some possibilities of new parts is thatthey might look so good that the crudenes of the rest of the car becomes too obvious. Now to find time to finish my eight Silver Streak cars - real wood !! Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383 New England Rail Shipper Directories 19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478 |
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John Hile <john66h@...>
At some point, Precision Scale did a brass 6-dome wine car. I have
notes that there were three schemes...Roma, Madera. R. Martini. Model #17524-? I saw one of these on eBay a few years ago, but don't recall the underframe type, reporting marks, etc. IIRC the dome vents came off the side of each dome...similar to the vent on Precision's Van Dyke tank. Anyone have any info on these? John Hile Blacksburg, VA |
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brianehni <behni@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:
I have one of each (Roma, Madera, Martini), plus an AHM I painted and used Champ decals for another Roma. The PSC Roma car is GATX 933, the Madera and Martini are SHPX 6611 and 6614 respectively. Brian Ehni |
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Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
Interesting...I have the Roma car and it's GATX 935 so they did at least a couple of numbers. ............Best Jim Williams
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From: brianehni <behni@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:03:21 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: 6 Dome wine tank cars --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "John Hile" <john66h@... > wrote: I have one of each (Roma, Madera, Martini), plus an AHM I painted and used Champ decals for another Roma. The PSC Roma car is GATX 933, the Madera and Martini are SHPX 6611 and 6614 respectively. Brian Ehni ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Malcolm Laughlin wrote:
Now to find time to finish my eight Silver Streak cars - real wood !!If some of those are reefers, I hope you're planning on cutting down the dimensions before you assemble them, as the SS reefers were WAY oversize, especially in height (but length, too, IIRC). My experience (now many years ago) is that you could usually keep the lettering on the sides approximately in the right location by trimming them very carefully to fit a car body that was appropriately reduced to scale size. Richard Hendrickson |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
If some of those are reefers, I hope you're planning on cutting down the dimensions before you assemble them, as the SS reefers were WAY oversize, especially in height (but length, too, IIRC). My experience (now many years ago) is that you could usually keep the lettering on the sides approximately in the right location by trimming them very carefully to fit a car body that was appropriately reduced to scale size.Yes, several Silver Streak kits are oversize. In addition to the reefers, the SP caboose, otherwise a pretty accurate model, is almost 10% oversize. Could they have been using a scale rule for OO by mistake? <g> Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Eddie Stavleu <eddiestavleu@...>
John,
Do you photos and if so will you share them please Eddie. --- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote: > > At some point, Precision Scale did a brass 6-dome wine car. I have > notes that there were three schemes...Roma, Madera. R. Martini. Model > #17524-? I saw one of these on eBay a few years ago, but don't recall > the underframe type, reporting marks, etc. IIRC the dome vents came > off the side of each dome...similar to the vent on Precision's Van > Dyke tank. Anyone have any info on these? > > John Hile > Blacksburg, VA > I have one of each (Roma, Madera, Martini), plus an AHM I painted and used Champ decals for another Roma. The PSC Roma car is GATX 933, the Madera and Martini are SHPX 6611 and 6614 respectively. Brian Ehni |
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