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Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950
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matt
Hi guys,
Can anyone tell me what period Texaco used the black tank cars with White Thick Block lettering of "TEXACO"? From when to when? Were these tanks cars 8000 or 10,000 gallon? Also if you were putting together a fleet of tank cars for Texaco in 1950 which tank cars were most likely to be seen? Plain GATX? Silver TEXACO? Still some labelled THE TEXAS COMPANY or just simply labelled TCX? And what size? Thanks for your help in advance MATT |
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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
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Garth, that wasn't much help...
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Prototype N Scale Models (TM) by George Hollwedel 310 Loma Verde St Buda, TX 78610-9785 512-796-6883 www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php --- On Fri, 6/6/08, Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:
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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
George,
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Sorry. I hit the wrong key. I have nothing solid to offer you, except that the silver Texaco cars date from the 1930s and were all black well before the 1950s. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff George Hollwedel wrote: Garth, that wasn't much help... |
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That helps me, I hope it helps MATT as well.
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Prototype N Scale Models (TM) by George Hollwedel 310 Loma Verde St Buda, TX 78610-9785 512-796-6883 www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php --- On Fri, 6/6/08, Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:
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Cyril Durrenberger
The following are from what I remember from builders photos, but is being written from our summer house and I do not have my Texaco file here.
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In about 1929 The Texas Company began using the name "Texaco" on their tank cars instead of "The Texas Company". It appears that up until that time almost all of their tank cars were painted black, but there may have been some that were painted white (I recal a photo of a white tank car).. They also had some box cars that were painted white. In 1929 they began using the scheme with silver on the upper part of the tank with large black letters spelling out "Texaco". These were used for gasoline, or that is what their magazine indicated when they discussed their new paint and lettering scheme. Black cars were still used for other products. It is not clear how soon they repainted their cars in the new paint and lettering scheme. Cyril Durrenberger "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote: George, Sorry. I hit the wrong key. I have nothing solid to offer you, except that the silver Texaco cars date from the 1930s and were all black well before the 1950s. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff George Hollwedel wrote: Garth, that wasn't much help... |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Garth Groff wrote:
Sorry. I hit the wrong key. I have nothing solid to offer you, except that the silver Texaco cars date from the 1930s and were all black well before the 1950s.Richard Hendrickson can add more to this topic when he returns tomorrow from his weekend excursion, but I think Garth's answer is incomplete. Texaco, like most oil companies, only used "fancy" schemes like the aluminum cars for consumer products delivered to local dealers, therefore only a fraction of their fleet was so painted. Most of their cars were ALWAYS black. I think Garth is right, though, that in the 1950s they ALL became black. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Garth Groff wrote:Sorry. I hit the wrong key. I have nothing solid to offer you,exceptthat the silver Texaco cars date from the 1930s and were all blackRichard Hendrickson can add more to this topic when he returns Let's start with the fact that the Texaco tank car fleet was purchased in 1935 by General American who then leased the cars back to the Texas Co. and operated them under TCX reporting marks. Under GATC ownership, Texaco's tank cars were gradually absorbed into the General American fleet under GATX reporting marks. From more than 4,000 cars when GATC took over the fleet, the number of TCX dropped to around 3,500 in 1950 and declined rapidly after that until, by 1958, there were only about 1,000 cars still operating under TCX reporting marks. So in modeling Texaco cars, you have to be careful that the cars you're interest in hadn't disappeared into the GATX fleet by the date you model. Tony is correct that the "billboard" aluminum-painted cars were used before WW II to ship motor fuel to wholesalers, and that cars carrying other products such as asphalt, heavy oils, etc. were always black. The "billboard" P/L schemes in both black and aluminum were discontinued during WW II and never re-established. Some cars painted in those schemes doubtless survived WW II and into the late 1940s before being repainted, but there would have been few, if any, by 1950. From the early 1940s onward, Texaco cars of all types were painted black with reporting marks, numbers, and data only. By thw 1950s there would have been few exceptions to that P/L scheme. Richard Hendrickson |
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Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
If I get the drift of this thread correctly, we should repaint the six or so silver Texaco cars on our 50's era club layout. Is that right ? Schuyler ?
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Richard Hendrickson
On Jun 9, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Malcolm Laughlin wrote:
If I get the drift of this thread correctly, we should repaint the Yes. Richard Hendrickson |
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They look right at home with all the other dozens of anachronistic
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models on the layout... why switch from a winning formula? :-) Tim -------------- Original message ----------------------
Malcolm Laughlin wrote: If I get the drift of this thread correctly, we should repaint the |
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Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
Despite Tim's usual sarcasm, this time I agree with him. We went to some effort to pant and letter those tank cars to service the very prominent Texaco distributor on the layout. People are impressed with the TEXACO tank cars lined up at the Texaco oil dealer's. Despite the long thread on the subject here, I doubt ,many members or visitors will ever know or comment on the era error of 10 years.
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Besides which, as the person who went to the effort, I don't intend to repaint them (although they could use some body repair). Andy ----- Original Message -----
From: timboconnor@... To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950 They look right at home with all the other dozens of anachronistic models on the layout... why switch from a winning formula? :-) Tim -------------- Original message ---------------------- Malcolm Laughlin wrote: >> If I get the drift of this thread correctly, we should repaint the >> six or so silver Texaco cars on our 50's era club layout. Is that >> right ? |
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Schuyler Larrabee
For 1955, yes, it appears so . . . .
SGL our 50's era club layout. Is that right ? Schuyler ? |
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