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Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car Fruit Industries


Mark
 

I purchased this kit over ten years ago. Wondering if these ran into
the mid fifties.

Searched the messages and did not find anything about these.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan


Bruce Smith
 

On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Mark Morgan wrote:

I purchased this kit over ten years ago. Wondering if these ran into
the mid fifties.

Searched the messages and did not find anything about these.
Mark,

This scheme may be completely bogus.

There may be nothing specifically about that scheme in the archives, but there is TONS of information about the RC model there. It was basically built for the US Army. Additional close or correct prototypes include a few UTLX and GATX cars, as well as some railroad owned cars (Frisco was apparently one). There is no specific information indicating whether this scheme is correct or not for this model, or what the date of the scheme is. The RPI (pay) web site notes that the RC Fruit Industries scheme may be based on an old Walthers decal that dates pre-1942, which would be incorrect for a welded car. Thus, based on RC's penchant for bogus schemes on this model and the lack of evidence for a prototype, the better part of valor is to assume that it is bogus until proven otherwise ;^)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
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Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:


On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Mark Morgan wrote:

I purchased this kit over ten years ago. Wondering if these ran into
the mid fifties.

Searched the messages and did not find anything about these.
Mark,

This scheme may be completely bogus.

There may be nothing specifically about that scheme in the archives,
but there is TONS of information about the RC model there. It was
basically built for the US Army. Additional close or correct
prototypes include a few UTLX and GATX cars, as well as some railroad
owned cars (Frisco was apparently one). [etc., etc.]



















Bruce, you're confusing the RC tank car model with the model Mark was
actually inquiring about, which was a wine tank car in an ex-PFE
body. In the 1930s California Despatch Line had some wine tank cars
which consisted of six tanks in wood racks installed in second-hand
PFE cars. Will Whittaker photographed a couple of these cars in the
late 1930s, out of service by that time but still with fancy
billboard paint and lettering schemes. Of course, RC couldn't resist
doing those P/L schemes on its PFE reefer model, but - to answer
Mark's question - most of them were retired before WW II and all were
gone from the CDL roster by 1953. In any case, the fancy paint jobs
would have been illegal in interchange after mid-1938.

Richard Hendrickson


Tim O'Connor
 

But in the 1950's Chateau Martin had huge billboard ads on their
wine cars. So how soon after 1938 were the rules relaxed?

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>

Bruce, you're confusing the RC tank car model with the model Mark was
actually inquiring about, which was a wine tank car in an ex-PFE
body. In the 1930s California Despatch Line had some wine tank cars
which consisted of six tanks in wood racks installed in second-hand
PFE cars. Will Whittaker photographed a couple of these cars in the
late 1930s, out of service by that time but still with fancy
billboard paint and lettering schemes. Of course, RC couldn't resist
doing those P/L schemes on its PFE reefer model, but - to answer
Mark's question - most of them were retired before WW II and all were
gone from the CDL roster by 1953. In any case, the fancy paint jobs
would have been illegal in interchange after mid-1938.

Richard Hendrickson


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
But in the 1950's Chateau Martin had huge billboard ads on their wine cars. So how soon after 1938 were the rules relaxed?
Actually the rules were not changed formally. Even in 1938, there were a few lessees who understood the rules, and had (legal) product slogans on the cars. That's what Chateau Martin did.
There's been a myth that lessee name or slogan lettering was limited to 12 inches high after 1937. I have never been able to find any such clause in any ICC documents, and in any case lettering well in excess of 12 inches was being put on private reefers soon after 1937. If someone does know of official documentation of that size limitation, I'd like to know about it; and if it exists, I'd also like to know when it was revoked or revised.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I think the thing here was that only Chateau Martin used those cars. Other
cars might have carried products where the producer was forced to ship in a
car that carried a competitor's ad.
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:02:52 +0000
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car Fruit Industries





But in the 1950's Chateau Martin had huge billboard ads on their
wine cars. So how soon after 1938 were the rules relaxed?


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Ehni wrote:
I think the thing here was that only Chateau Martin used those cars.
This is an essential point.

Other cars might have carried products where the producer was forced to ship in a car that carried a competitor's ad.
As I've already pointed out, this was not an issue, for the simple reason that the billboard paint jobs were for the company which leased THAT car. They were NOT general advertising venues used on general service cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history