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Richard Hendrickson
On Jun 15, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Jared Harper wrote:
Are there any 1943 era propane cars available in HO? Jared, the only plastic HO scale model that's even close in dimensions and proportion is the Athearn "chemical" tank car, and aside from the crudeness that characterizes all of the early Athearn "blue box" freight cars, it has a "dome" (actually, valve casing, as LPG cars did not have domes) and dome platform/railings which are way too large. Precision Scale has what appears to be an LPG car valve casing in their catalog that might work as a replacement (their #HO-31005), or you could use the valve casing from one of the Atlas models if you could find an extra tank, and you could do away with the platform and railings entirely, as many prototype cars didn't have them. The other option would be Overland's brass import OMI-3028, which represents a ca. 1936 AC&F car without platform and railings as built for Shippers Car Line, Warren, Shell, Phillips, etc. from the mid-1930s through the early '40s. I have numerous photos of these cars if you can figure out who was the most likely supplier (or lessor to the supplier) of LPG to the LPG depot on the Alma branch. Richard Hendrickson |
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LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
The Atlas 11,000 gallon cars are, according to Mr. Hawkins, close to the 1947- and 1952-built cars. In 1943, he said, the tanks and frames were four feet longer and the tanks were smaller in diameter -- more like the Type 27 ACF tank cars.
Jared Harper <harper-brown@...> wrote: Are there any 1943 era propane cars available in HO? Jared Harper Athens, GA --- In STMFC@..., "Louis C. Whiteley" <octoraro1@...> wrote: in Oxford (Chester County) Pennsylvania and in Miami, FL. Their first1944 and ten more in 1947. Their last two cars were built in 1952. Thetank cars was "Naturol". |
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Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
Are there any 1943 era propane cars available in HO?
Jared Harper Athens, GA --- In STMFC@..., "Louis C. Whiteley" <octoraro1@...> wrote: in Oxford (Chester County) Pennsylvania and in Miami, FL. Their first1944 and ten more in 1947. Their last two cars were built in 1952. Thetank cars was "Naturol". |
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Louis C. Whiteley <octoraro1@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@...> wrote:
I don't know about Kansas, but Gas Oil Products (GOPX)had a facility in Oxford (Chester County) Pennsylvania and in Miami, FL. Their first four ICC105A300-W were built in 1943. Two more cars were built in 1944 and ten more in 1947. Their last two cars were built in 1952. The fleet was back down to seven cars by 1953. The brand name on the tank cars was "Naturol". I am indebted to Ed Hawkins for the detailed information on these cars and a lead to the photos of the cars at the St. Louis Mercantile Museum. So, at least in Southestern Pennsylvania, propane was shipped by rail in 1943. In Oxford, there was a cluster of four vertical tanks (like Walthers' McGraw Oil kit)where, I think, the Gas Oil facility was. Was propane ever stored in such vertical tanks before the commonly seen cigar tube tanks? Lou Whiteley Lawrenceville, NJ Was propane shipped via rail in 1943? Would propane have been |
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Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
No I did not ever deliver it but my Grandfather and Grandmother used Propane until the natural gas main came through their area. I used Propane with my Bar-B-Q in the back yard. You had to be very careful because if you got a leak it it is heavier than air and would go under your house or down into your basement and soon you would have a big BANG.
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BOOM Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Boca Raton FL 33434 I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather did, not screaming like the other people in his car. On Jun 14, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
So, Larry, did you deliver Butane or Propane? ;^) |
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Schuyler Larrabee
So, Larry, did you deliver Butane or Propane? ;^)
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SGL -----Original Message-----wrote: Would propane have beenHello Jared, |
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Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
In Kansas you must bury the Butane Tank or it would freeze solid in the winter time. When Propane came along Butane lost it's popularity because Propane did not freeze and the tank could be left sitting on top of the ground.
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Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Boca Raton FL 33434 My parents did not raise any stupid children. They sent the ten of us to the neighbors to play and then moved. They raised the four of us that found them. On Jun 14, 2008, at 9:19 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
When I was a young adult (back in the early 70's) I was told in answer to my question as to why so many old butane tanks found in our area was that years earlier butane was a popular bottled gas, more so than propane.Propane's later arrival and eventual dominance obsoleted butane and butane distributorship. |
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Jack Burgess <jack@...>
There are photos from the early 1940s of silver tanks on the freight station
platform at El Portal on the Yosemite Valley Railroad which I have assumed were propane bottles. They are shaped similar to today's oxygen tanks but at least twice as big. I figured that they were fuel for cooking in the hotels in Yosemite National Park since there was no natural gas available in the park and propane (or butane) would have been more desirable than coal. I had also assumed that they were propane only because I wasn't familiar with butane as a bottled gas... Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com |
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Andy Carlson
When I was a young adult (back in the early 70's) I was told in answer to my question as to why so many old butane tanks found in our area was that years earlier butane was a popular bottled gas, more so than propane.Propane's later arrival and eventual dominance obsoleted butane and butane distributorship.
-Andy Carlson Ojai, CA John Hile <john66h@...> wrote: --- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@...> wrote: > Would propane have been > used as a fuel in rural Kansas at that time? Hello Jared, From a quick web search, it looks like the Propane Marketers Association of Kansas was founded in 1942. Hope this is helpful, John Hile Blacksburg, VA |
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John Hile <john66h@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@...> wrote:
Would propane have been Hello Jared, From a quick web search, it looks like the Propane Marketers Association of Kansas was founded in 1942. Hope this is helpful, John Hile Blacksburg, VA |
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michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
Propane or LP was shipped by rail starting in the in 30's. By 1945 sales of Propane had reached 1 billion gallons. If rural Kansas was using by then I do not know.
Michael Jared Harper <harper-brown@...> wrote: There was a propane jobber on Santa Fe's Alma branch. No one locally seems to know when it first appeared. Joe Lewis who worked as a brakeman and conductor on the Alma branch mixed doesn't remember it. It is on a Santa Fe station plat last revised in 1962. I am trying to determine if it could have been there during my May 1943 modeling date. Was propane shipped via rail in 1943? Would propane have been used as a fuel in rural Kansas at that time? Or, was the propane jobber probably from the 1950s or 1960s? Jared Harper Athens, GA |
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Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
There was a propane jobber on Santa Fe's Alma branch. No one locally
seems to know when it first appeared. Joe Lewis who worked as a brakeman and conductor on the Alma branch mixed doesn't remember it. It is on a Santa Fe station plat last revised in 1962. I am trying to determine if it could have been there during my May 1943 modeling date. Was propane shipped via rail in 1943? Would propane have been used as a fuel in rural Kansas at that time? Or, was the propane jobber probably from the 1950s or 1960s? Jared Harper Athens, GA |
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