Bruce Smith
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Justin Kahn wrote:
Thanks for all the help, guys. Reporting marks are BWCX, since the previous owner used Champ's set. What didn't occur to me until after I posted is that they are probably wrong anyway, as the car is a GLCa, and I'd guess the Berwind cars that went to PRR were GLC pattern. In any event, since I am pretty sure I had an RMC subscription in 1986 I'll dig around until I find that article. I suppose it could tell me that Berwind did have GLCa pattern hoppers, as the fellow I bought it from is no novice.
Jace, Berwind did have both GLC and GLCA cars. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Thanks for all the help, guys. Reporting marks are BWCX, since the previous owner used Champ's set. What didn't occur to me until after I posted is that they are probably wrong anyway, as the car is a GLCa, and I'd guess the Berwind cars that went to PRR were GLC pattern. In any event, since I am pretty sure I had an RMC subscription in 1986 I'll dig around until I find that article. I suppose it could tell me that Berwind did have GLCa pattern hoppers, as the fellow I bought it from is no novice. Jace Kahn, General Manager Ceres and Canisteo RR Co. Having bought a finished brass hopper from another modeler (and hoping not to have to strip a good paint job), I realized I knew very little about the Berwind operation. Was production sold to retail outlets (i.e., local coal dealers) or did it all go to industrial consumers? In other words, would a Berwind hopper show up in a way-freight or on a shortline?
Jace Kahn
Jace, recommend you read Richard Burg's "The Berwind Hopper Cars"
from the October 1986 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman for an
overview.
"Was production sold to retail outlets (i.e., local coal dealers) or
did it all go to industrial consumers? In other words, would a
Berwind hopper show up in a way-freight or on a shortline?"
Aremand Premo replied:
"Berwind cars frequently showed up on the Rutland in Alburgh, Vt in
unusually large numbers. They were interchanged with the Central
Vermont and returned as empties usually within a week. I am still
trying to find out where they went after the CV."
I'll take Armand's word for it, as review of some of his Alburgh
sheets don't show "unusually large numbers". The data points that I
do have show four loaded cars at Alburgh on May 19, 1947:
BWCX 1801 (Arrived May 26, 1947)
BWCX 1870 (Arrived May 24, 1947)
BWCX 3602 (Arrived May 24, 1947)
BWCX 3809 (Arrived May 24, 1947)
Conversely, single empty cars appeared in Train 9 on the following
dates:
BWCX 1806 November 21, 1950
BWCX 3531 July 17, 1950
BWCX 3702 July 16, 1950
BWCX 4158 November 14, 1950
BWCX 4381 January 27, 1949
BWCX 4949 July 11, 1950
As Armand noted, we really have to figure out who the customers were
to make sense of this pattern, but it does support the occasional car
in a train.
(One final note: the PRR eventually acquired the Berwind fleet and
ran them under "BWC" reporting marks, but this happened after the
time period covered by this list.)
Ben Hom Are the reporting marks on the model BWCX or NRBX? The former were
found over most of the Northeast, the latter were almost exclusively
found on the C&O in tidewater coal traffic, as discussed back in 2005
on this list.
Bruce F. Smith
Just to add one more point; Berwind's Pennsylvania (BWCX) coal assets during
your period of interest were primarily bituminous, and therefore, mostly used
as either met coal or in power plants/steam plants, foundries and such, not
for household use. That may be why you saw them in small groups more often
than as singles. You could reflect this in where you sent the car, on your
layout, as a single car moving bituminous to a small foundry, perhaps, as a
nice little operational option, if you are into that.
Elden Gatwood
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