Gentlemen,

While we're on the subject, can anyone suggest a good paint match so
I can properly finish the PFE wood reefer I have on the workbench?

Thank you,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:

Ed: they were not yellow. Period. The "Daylight Orange"

paint

did weather in the direction of yellow, but the cars were not

wearing

yellow paint. If you'd run your thumbnail over that "yellow"

color,

you

would have seen the deep orange underneath. I've done exactly

that

exercise with some preserved PFE cars.
And as Richard observed, the original colors are VERY

well

documented and have been published in the form of carefully

printed

color panels. What an elderly slide has to do with that somewhat
escapes me.

The original colors are well documented.

I thought prototype modelers wanted to accurately model cars (and
entire trains) as they appeared in service, not as built. Any

group of

cars might have a couple of freshly painted cars but most would be
weathered to varying degrees including paint that shifted color.

Ed

SP "Daylight Orange" is the same color as the PFE Standard
Refriferator Orange, Color #8. Match your favorite brand to the
color panel in Thompson'e PFE book, p. 419.

Rob Simpson


--- In STMFC@..., "John Golden" <golden1014@...> wrote:

Gentlemen,

While we're on the subject, can anyone suggest a good paint match

so I can properly finish the PFE wood reefer I have on the workbench?

Thank you,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

John

Star Brand makes a good PFE color. They make the SP box car red
too, which is the same as PFE brown I think.

I used to use Accupaint CN orange (a very bright orange) and "step"
on it a bit to tone it down. That worked well too. I match to the pages
in Tony's PFE book.

For faded SFRD (Santa Fe) I really like Accupaint MEC Harvest Yellow.
It matches the Intermountain SFRD reefer colors almost perfectly.

Tim O'

John Golden wrote:

While we're on the subject, can anyone suggest a good paint match so I can properly finish the PFE wood reefer I have on the workbench?

It's "Daylight Orange," John, and most of the commercial ones are pretty decent matches.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

In reply to John Golden's message regarding a good color for Daylight Orange, Tony Thompson writes:

It's "Daylight Orange," John, and most of the commercial ones are
pretty decent matches.

True. In fact, since every PFE orange painted on a real car differed after one or two months in service, I try to use every Daylight Orange I can find. I also plan to paint my next Tichy R-40-4 in reefer white to start with. Then I'll probably over paint that with black and then add some dirt color. Only then will I apply UP Armor Yellow. I figure that should give me a good starting place from where to start weathering. No idea what it will look like but I know it will match at least one car in a 1950 train of PFE reefers. No idea what to paint the wheels however. I mean...a sand color from all the...well...sand blowing across WY [ which I still have in some clothes from a 3985 chase in '85...can't bring myself to wash them ] or a grungy black/brown from sitting in a frt yard in Pittsburgh. So...take your pick...there's all kinds of choices.

Mike Brock

Thank you, Mike and Tony!

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

In reply to John Golden's message regarding a good color for

Daylight

Orange, Tony Thompson writes:

It's "Daylight Orange," John, and most of the commercial ones are
pretty decent matches.

True. In fact, since every PFE orange painted on a real car

differed after

one or two months in service, I try to use every Daylight Orange I

can find.

I also plan to paint my next Tichy R-40-4 in reefer white to start

with.

Then I'll probably over paint that with black and then add some

dirt color.

Only then will I apply UP Armor Yellow. I figure that should give

me a good

starting place from where to start weathering. No idea what it

will look

like but I know it will match at least one car in a 1950 train of

PFE

reefers. No idea what to paint the wheels however. I mean...a sand

color

from all the...well...sand blowing across WY [ which I still have

in some

clothes from a 3985 chase in '85...can't bring myself to wash

them ] or a

grungy black/brown from sitting in a frt yard in Pittsburgh.

So...take your

pick...there's all kinds of choices.

Mike Brock