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DS/SS split 1938; "Shorties"; help needed
laramielarry <ostresh@...>
Hi Folks
Here is the DS/SS/Steel split for box, auto, and ventilator cars in
interchange service for U.S. Class I railroads, from 1938 to 1950:
US____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____306,783____198,251____171,736____83,688____65,645
SS____227,521____213,109____210,559____174,118____162,817
Steel____205,050____318,341____352,267____468,241____477,394
Other____6,922____6,409____5,915____5,571____4,782
Unknown____11,735____4,797____2,763____620____386
Total____758,011____740,907____743,240____732,238____711,024
US____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____40.5%____26.8%____23.1%____11.4%____9.2%
SS____30.0%____28.8%____28.3%____23.8%____22.9%
Steel____27.1%____43.0%____47.4%____63.9%____67.1%
Other____0.9%____0.9%____0.8%____0.8%____0.7%
Unknown____1.5%____0.6%____0.4%____0.1%____0.1%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%
The next tables show the same data for "Shorties", i.e., cars with an
IL less than 40':
IL < 40'____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____133,910____72,631____60,907____25,761____18,151
SS____12,549____9,807____9,036____4,175____3,395
Steel____76____1,035____1,262____1,317____1,297
Other____0____0____0____0____0
Unknown____5,098____1,348____934____73____20
Total____151,633____84,821____72,139____31,326____22,863
IL < 40'____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____88.3%____85.6%____84.4%____82.2%____79.4%
SS____8.3%____11.6%____12.5%____13.3%____14.8%
Steel____0.1%____1.2%____1.7%____4.2%____5.7%
Other____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Unknown____3.4%____1.6%____1.3%____0.2%____0.1%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%
Over 40% of the Unknowns in 1938 were "Shorties"; here are most of
these Unknowns:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
AB&C, VA, Box, 30001-30299, 35'10", 7'7", 5'6", 60000, 111, NA
B&O, XM, Box, 199500-199999, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 112, 4
BAR, XM, Box, 8100-8599, 35'10", 7'11", 6'0", 60000, 52, 16
C&EI, XM, Box, 37002-37748, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 160, 17
C&S, XM, Box, 14300-14689, 39'10.125", 7'9.75", 5'5.5",80000, 325, 143
CGW, XM, Box, 37044-37198, 36'0", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 52, NA
CMO, XM, Box, 23000-26978, 36'0", 8'0", 5'0", 80000, 95, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 80000-80499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 61, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 121500-121999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 50, NA
GBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43
IC, XM, Box, 227801-228000, 36'4.5", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 158, NA
L&N, XAB, Auto, 48201-48399, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 190, 1
M&O, XM, Box, 41000-41199, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 55, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 43000-43299, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 219, 40
M&STL, XM, Box, 4000-4578, 36'2", 8'9", 6'0", 80000, 152, NA
MC, XM, Box, 27500-27836, 34'4", 7'10", 5'0", 80000, 117, NA
MC, XM, Box, 28000-28499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 143, 1
MEC, XM, Box, 30001-30675, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 229, NA
MEC, XM, Box, 30676-31000, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 146, NA
NC&StL, XM, Box, 12000-12999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 158, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 80000-81499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 142, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 82000-84199, 36'0", 7'7", 5'0", 80000, 112, NA
NS, XM, Box, 20500-20999, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 255, NA
NS, XM, Box, 21150-21299, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 57, NA
NYC, XAP, Auto, 86500-86549, 36'0", 8'6", 6'0", 80000, 50, 33
PS&N, XM, Box, 9900-9949, 36'0", 7'7.5", 5'0", 80000, 50, 44
RDG, XM, Box, 15700-15999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 100, 19
RDG, XM, Box, 17500-18479, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 381, 45
RDG, XM, Box, 18500-18699, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 67, 7
UP OWR&N, XM, Box, 16000-16157, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 100000, 143, NA
WofA, XM, Box, 900-999, 36'0", 7'10", 6'0", 60000, 89, 20
If anyone can identify the sheathing type for the above Unknowns
(double sheathed, single sheathed, steel, other), I would very much
appreciate having this information.
Thanks in advance,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming
Here is the DS/SS/Steel split for box, auto, and ventilator cars in
interchange service for U.S. Class I railroads, from 1938 to 1950:
US____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____306,783____198,251____171,736____83,688____65,645
SS____227,521____213,109____210,559____174,118____162,817
Steel____205,050____318,341____352,267____468,241____477,394
Other____6,922____6,409____5,915____5,571____4,782
Unknown____11,735____4,797____2,763____620____386
Total____758,011____740,907____743,240____732,238____711,024
US____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____40.5%____26.8%____23.1%____11.4%____9.2%
SS____30.0%____28.8%____28.3%____23.8%____22.9%
Steel____27.1%____43.0%____47.4%____63.9%____67.1%
Other____0.9%____0.9%____0.8%____0.8%____0.7%
Unknown____1.5%____0.6%____0.4%____0.1%____0.1%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%
The next tables show the same data for "Shorties", i.e., cars with an
IL less than 40':
IL < 40'____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____133,910____72,631____60,907____25,761____18,151
SS____12,549____9,807____9,036____4,175____3,395
Steel____76____1,035____1,262____1,317____1,297
Other____0____0____0____0____0
Unknown____5,098____1,348____934____73____20
Total____151,633____84,821____72,139____31,326____22,863
IL < 40'____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____88.3%____85.6%____84.4%____82.2%____79.4%
SS____8.3%____11.6%____12.5%____13.3%____14.8%
Steel____0.1%____1.2%____1.7%____4.2%____5.7%
Other____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Unknown____3.4%____1.6%____1.3%____0.2%____0.1%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%
Over 40% of the Unknowns in 1938 were "Shorties"; here are most of
these Unknowns:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
AB&C, VA, Box, 30001-30299, 35'10", 7'7", 5'6", 60000, 111, NA
B&O, XM, Box, 199500-199999, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 112, 4
BAR, XM, Box, 8100-8599, 35'10", 7'11", 6'0", 60000, 52, 16
C&EI, XM, Box, 37002-37748, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 160, 17
C&S, XM, Box, 14300-14689, 39'10.125", 7'9.75", 5'5.5",80000, 325, 143
CGW, XM, Box, 37044-37198, 36'0", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 52, NA
CMO, XM, Box, 23000-26978, 36'0", 8'0", 5'0", 80000, 95, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 80000-80499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 61, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 121500-121999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 50, NA
GBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43
IC, XM, Box, 227801-228000, 36'4.5", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 158, NA
L&N, XAB, Auto, 48201-48399, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 190, 1
M&O, XM, Box, 41000-41199, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 55, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 43000-43299, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 219, 40
M&STL, XM, Box, 4000-4578, 36'2", 8'9", 6'0", 80000, 152, NA
MC, XM, Box, 27500-27836, 34'4", 7'10", 5'0", 80000, 117, NA
MC, XM, Box, 28000-28499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 143, 1
MEC, XM, Box, 30001-30675, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 229, NA
MEC, XM, Box, 30676-31000, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 146, NA
NC&StL, XM, Box, 12000-12999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 158, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 80000-81499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 142, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 82000-84199, 36'0", 7'7", 5'0", 80000, 112, NA
NS, XM, Box, 20500-20999, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 255, NA
NS, XM, Box, 21150-21299, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 57, NA
NYC, XAP, Auto, 86500-86549, 36'0", 8'6", 6'0", 80000, 50, 33
PS&N, XM, Box, 9900-9949, 36'0", 7'7.5", 5'0", 80000, 50, 44
RDG, XM, Box, 15700-15999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 100, 19
RDG, XM, Box, 17500-18479, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 381, 45
RDG, XM, Box, 18500-18699, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 67, 7
UP OWR&N, XM, Box, 16000-16157, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 100000, 143, NA
WofA, XM, Box, 900-999, 36'0", 7'10", 6'0", 60000, 89, 20
If anyone can identify the sheathing type for the above Unknowns
(double sheathed, single sheathed, steel, other), I would very much
appreciate having this information.
Thanks in advance,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming
laramielarry <ostresh@...>
Hi Folks
Ray Breyer identified many of the series I asked about in the
previous message in this thread:
Double sheathed:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
AB&C, VA, Box, 30001-30299, 35'10", 7'7", 5'6", 60000, 111, NA
B&O, XM, Box, 199500-199999, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 112, 4
CGW, XM, Box, 37044-37198, 36'0", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 52, NA
L&N, XAB, Auto, 48201-48399, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 190, 1
M&STL, XM, Box, 4000-4578, 36'2", 8'9", 6'0", 80000, 152, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 80000-81499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 142, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 82000-84199, 36'0", 7'7", 5'0", 80000, 112, NA
NYC, XAP, Auto, 86500-86549, 36'0", 8'6", 6'0", 80000, 50, 33
Single sheathed:
PS&N, XM, Box, 9900-9949, 36'0", 7'7.5", 5'0", 80000, 50, 44
However, the following series remain Unknown:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
BAR, XM, Box, 8100-8599, 35'10", 7'11", 6'0", 60000, 52, 16
C&EI, XM, Box, 37002-37748, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 160, 17
C&S, XM, Box, 14300-14689, 39'10.125", 7'9.75", 5'5.5",80000, 325, 143
CMO, XM, Box, 23000-26978, 36'0", 8'0", 5'0", 80000, 95, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 80000-80499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 61, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 121500-121999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 50, NA
GBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43
IC, XM, Box, 227801-228000, 36'4.5", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 158, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 41000-41199, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 55, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 43000-43299, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 219, 40
MC, XM, Box, 27500-27836, 34'4", 7'10", 5'0", 80000, 117, NA
MC, XM, Box, 28000-28499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 143, 1
MEC, XM, Box, 30001-30675, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 229, NA
MEC, XM, Box, 30676-31000, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 146, NA
NC&StL, XM, Box, 12000-12999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 158, NA
NS, XM, Box, 20500-20999, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 255, NA
NS, XM, Box, 21150-21299, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 57, NA
RDG, XM, Box, 15700-15999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 100, 19
RDG, XM, Box, 17500-18479, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 381, 45
RDG, XM, Box, 18500-18699, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 67, 7
UP OWR&N, XM, Box, 16000-16157, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 100000, 143, NA
WofA, XM, Box, 900-999, 36'0", 7'10", 6'0", 60000, 89, 20
If anyone knows the sheathing for these cars (double, single, steel,
other) I would appreciate having that information. Build (or
rebuild) dates would also be useful.
Thanks!
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming
Ray Breyer identified many of the series I asked about in the
previous message in this thread:
Double sheathed:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
AB&C, VA, Box, 30001-30299, 35'10", 7'7", 5'6", 60000, 111, NA
B&O, XM, Box, 199500-199999, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 112, 4
CGW, XM, Box, 37044-37198, 36'0", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 52, NA
L&N, XAB, Auto, 48201-48399, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 190, 1
M&STL, XM, Box, 4000-4578, 36'2", 8'9", 6'0", 80000, 152, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 80000-81499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 142, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 82000-84199, 36'0", 7'7", 5'0", 80000, 112, NA
NYC, XAP, Auto, 86500-86549, 36'0", 8'6", 6'0", 80000, 50, 33
Single sheathed:
PS&N, XM, Box, 9900-9949, 36'0", 7'7.5", 5'0", 80000, 50, 44
However, the following series remain Unknown:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
BAR, XM, Box, 8100-8599, 35'10", 7'11", 6'0", 60000, 52, 16
C&EI, XM, Box, 37002-37748, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 160, 17
C&S, XM, Box, 14300-14689, 39'10.125", 7'9.75", 5'5.5",80000, 325, 143
CMO, XM, Box, 23000-26978, 36'0", 8'0", 5'0", 80000, 95, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 80000-80499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 61, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 121500-121999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 50, NA
GBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43
IC, XM, Box, 227801-228000, 36'4.5", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 158, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 41000-41199, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 55, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 43000-43299, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 219, 40
MC, XM, Box, 27500-27836, 34'4", 7'10", 5'0", 80000, 117, NA
MC, XM, Box, 28000-28499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 143, 1
MEC, XM, Box, 30001-30675, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 229, NA
MEC, XM, Box, 30676-31000, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 146, NA
NC&StL, XM, Box, 12000-12999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 158, NA
NS, XM, Box, 20500-20999, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 255, NA
NS, XM, Box, 21150-21299, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 57, NA
RDG, XM, Box, 15700-15999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 100, 19
RDG, XM, Box, 17500-18479, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 381, 45
RDG, XM, Box, 18500-18699, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 67, 7
UP OWR&N, XM, Box, 16000-16157, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 100000, 143, NA
WofA, XM, Box, 900-999, 36'0", 7'10", 6'0", 60000, 89, 20
If anyone knows the sheathing for these cars (double, single, steel,
other) I would appreciate having that information. Build (or
rebuild) dates would also be useful.
Thanks!
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming
laramielarry <ostresh@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:
Your identification of the GBW series makes our information complete
for the road. Here is its DS/SS split from 1938 to 1950:
GBW____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____82____43____31____0____0
SS____297____295____294____293____292
Steel____0____0____0____0____0
Other____0____0____0____0____0
Unknown____0____0____0____0____0
Total____379____338____325____293____292
GBW____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____21.6%____12.7%____9.5%____0.0%____0.0%
SS____78.4%____87.3%____90.5%____100.0%____100.0%
Steel____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Other____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Unknown____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%
Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming
Thanks, AlGBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43GB&W 2752, Mailer, "Green Bay & Western", p231. Double sheathed.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
Your identification of the GBW series makes our information complete
for the road. Here is its DS/SS split from 1938 to 1950:
GBW____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____82____43____31____0____0
SS____297____295____294____293____292
Steel____0____0____0____0____0
Other____0____0____0____0____0
Unknown____0____0____0____0____0
Total____379____338____325____293____292
GBW____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____21.6%____12.7%____9.5%____0.0%____0.0%
SS____78.4%____87.3%____90.5%____100.0%____100.0%
Steel____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Other____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Unknown____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%
Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming