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MN&S express reefer


Cyril Durrenberger
 

I am doing some research on the Minneapolis, Northfield and Southern in Minnesota.

At the site listed below there is a photo of  MN&S express refrigerator  911 taken in 1940.  I do not find this listed in the ORER's.  Does anyone know anything about these cars?  Number series, number of cars, when they ran.  And, why would this line have this sort of car when they stopped passenger service at about this time.  It appears that their passenger service was based on gas-electrics so it is not clear that they would pull a very long train.



http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036241

Also there is an interesting photo of MN&S reefer 809.  The ORER's from 1919 to 1934 list box cars in number series 800 to 810.  They were not listed in 1939.  There are no reefers listed in the ORER's for the MN&S.  Anyone know what is going on with these cars?



http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036280


Also I am trying to locate a roster of MN&S steam locomotives.  Please contact me off list on this topic.

Thanks,

Cyril Durrenberger
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Jack Mullen
 

Cyril Durrenberger wrote:

I am doing some research on the Minneapolis, Northfield and Southern
in Minnesota...

Also there is an interesting photo of MN&S reefer 809.  The ORER's
from 1919 to 1934 list box cars in number series 800 to 810.  They
were not listed in 1939.  There are no reefers listed in the ORER's
for the MN&S.  Anyone know what is going on with these cars?

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036280
Cyril,
In 1935, cars 800-809 are listed as car type XI (insulated box,
although the description merely says "Box". Notice that reefer hatches
or hatch platforms aren't visible in the photo. The series is not
listed in Jan. 1940.
I've learned to be a bit skeptical of dates in rrpicturearchive.
Apparently it allows only an exact date to be entered, so 1/1/1940
doesn't necessarily mean the photos were taken that day. It could mean
that the info with the original photo said Jan 1940, or 1940, or circa
1940. (or the date could just be an error).

Jack Mullen


benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Cyril Durrenberger asked:
"At the site listed below there is a photo of MN&S express
refrigerator 911 taken in 1940.  I do not find this listed in the
ORER's.  Does anyone know anything about these cars?  Number series,
number of cars, when they ran.  And, why would this line have this
sort of car when they stopped passenger service at about this time.
It appears that their passenger service was based on gas-electrics so
it is not clear that they would pull a very long train."
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036241

A few railroads listed express reefers and boxcars in the ORER, but
most did not. You need to go the the Official Railway Passenger
Train Equipment Register to find these cars. The M&NS may have
ceased passenger traffic in the early 1940s, but this car certainly
dates before that date, and would have been needed by the railroad to
cover any perishable express business.


"Also there is an interesting photo of MN&S reefer 809.  The ORER's
from 1919 to 1934 list box cars in number series 800 to 810.  They
were not listed in 1939.  There are no reefers listed in the ORER's
for the MN&S.  Anyone know what is going on with these cars?"
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036280

First, this car may look like a reefer but it appears to lack ice
hatches, making it an insulated boxcar. Additionally, another reason
it may not appear in ORER listings may be the car is not in revenue
service, either from M&NS 800-810 or from a paid-off wrecked foreign
road car. What are the dimensions and details from the ORER
regarding MN&S 800-810? Do they appear to match this car?


Ben Hom


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ben Hom wrote:
A few railroads listed express reefers and boxcars in the ORER, but most did not. You need to go the the Official Railway Passenger Train Equipment Register to find these cars.
Well, the ORPTER did not begin publication by the time the MN&S ceased passenger service. Prior to the startup of the ORPTER, many railroads DID list passenger equipment in the ORER, though in a section separate from the freight cars, normally at the end of their entry pages.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I wrote:
Well, the ORPTER did not begin publication . . .
Apologies for blindly abbreviating Ben's name for this publication. Actually it was the "Official Register of Passenger Train Equipment," or ORPTE.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Thomas Baker
 

Hmm, it is hard to imagine one of those GE cars lugging along an express refrigerator, but possible. I purchased a photo of a URTX refrigerator car leased to the MN&S. The photo was taken, I believe, in the Washington, D. C. area. I have long puzzled over why the MN&S leased any refrigerator cars at all. Was there some perishable traffic on-line that the MN&S served exclusively. After all, the outfit connected with the CGW at Randolph, Minnesota, and with the SOO LINE at Shoreham Shops, and both the CGW and the SOO leased refrigerator cars from URTX.

Tom


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Thomas Baker wrote:
I have long puzzled over why the MN&S leased any refrigerator cars at all. Was there some perishable traffic on-line that the MN&S served exclusively.
Think dairy.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


earlyrail
 

Posted by: "Anthony Thompson" thompson@... sigpress
Sun Sep 7, 2008 9:41 pm (PDT)
Thomas Baker wrote:
I have long puzzled over why the MN&S leased any refrigerator cars at
all. Was there some perishable traffic on-line that the MN&S served
exclusively.
Think dairy.

Northfield, Carnation Milk, condensed milk plant.
The location was taken over by Malt-O-Meal.
The buildings have been gone for some time.


Howard Garner
formally from Randolph.


Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Cyril, the photos were posted by Vern Wigfield, a retired agent for the M&StL. Vern is very generous and willing to share, I have
many photos from Vern's collection. I have noticed those he posts to the rrpicturearchives list often have the 1/1/1940 date
because he has no idea when they were taken. But looking at the photos you linked, I would say they were taken before that date.

I suggest you contact Vern, via the link on his photos. I am sure he would be more than happy to share with you what information
he has.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org