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Cyril Durrenberger
I am doing some research on the Minneapolis, Northfield and Southern in Minnesota.
At the site listed below there is a photo of MN&S express refrigerator 911 taken in 1940. I do not find this listed in the ORER's. Does anyone know anything about these cars? Number series, number of cars, when they ran. And, why would this line have this sort of car when they stopped passenger service at about this time. It appears that their passenger service was based on gas-electrics so it is not clear that they would pull a very long train. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036241 Also there is an interesting photo of MN&S reefer 809. The ORER's from 1919 to 1934 list box cars in number series 800 to 810. They were not listed in 1939. There are no reefers listed in the ORER's for the MN&S. Anyone know what is going on with these cars? http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036280 Also I am trying to locate a roster of MN&S steam locomotives. Please contact me off list on this topic. Thanks, Cyril Durrenberger --- |
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Jack Mullen
Cyril Durrenberger wrote:
in Minnesota... Also there is an interesting photo of MN&S reefer 809. The ORER'sfrom 1919 to 1934 list box cars in number series 800 to 810. They were not listed in 1939. There are no reefers listed in the ORER's for the MN&S. Anyone know what is going on with these cars? Cyril, In 1935, cars 800-809 are listed as car type XI (insulated box, although the description merely says "Box". Notice that reefer hatches or hatch platforms aren't visible in the photo. The series is not listed in Jan. 1940. I've learned to be a bit skeptical of dates in rrpicturearchive. Apparently it allows only an exact date to be entered, so 1/1/1940 doesn't necessarily mean the photos were taken that day. It could mean that the info with the original photo said Jan 1940, or 1940, or circa 1940. (or the date could just be an error). Jack Mullen |
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Cyril Durrenberger asked:
"At the site listed below there is a photo of MN&S express refrigerator 911 taken in 1940. I do not find this listed in the ORER's. Does anyone know anything about these cars? Number series, number of cars, when they ran. And, why would this line have this sort of car when they stopped passenger service at about this time. It appears that their passenger service was based on gas-electrics so it is not clear that they would pull a very long train." http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036241 A few railroads listed express reefers and boxcars in the ORER, but most did not. You need to go the the Official Railway Passenger Train Equipment Register to find these cars. The M&NS may have ceased passenger traffic in the early 1940s, but this car certainly dates before that date, and would have been needed by the railroad to cover any perishable express business. "Also there is an interesting photo of MN&S reefer 809. The ORER's from 1919 to 1934 list box cars in number series 800 to 810. They were not listed in 1939. There are no reefers listed in the ORER's for the MN&S. Anyone know what is going on with these cars?" http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1036280 First, this car may look like a reefer but it appears to lack ice hatches, making it an insulated boxcar. Additionally, another reason it may not appear in ORER listings may be the car is not in revenue service, either from M&NS 800-810 or from a paid-off wrecked foreign road car. What are the dimensions and details from the ORER regarding MN&S 800-810? Do they appear to match this car? Ben Hom |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ben Hom wrote:
A few railroads listed express reefers and boxcars in the ORER, but most did not. You need to go the the Official Railway Passenger Train Equipment Register to find these cars.Well, the ORPTER did not begin publication by the time the MN&S ceased passenger service. Prior to the startup of the ORPTER, many railroads DID list passenger equipment in the ORER, though in a section separate from the freight cars, normally at the end of their entry pages. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
I wrote:
Well, the ORPTER did not begin publication . . .Apologies for blindly abbreviating Ben's name for this publication. Actually it was the "Official Register of Passenger Train Equipment," or ORPTE. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Thomas Baker
Hmm, it is hard to imagine one of those GE cars lugging along an express refrigerator, but possible. I purchased a photo of a URTX refrigerator car leased to the MN&S. The photo was taken, I believe, in the Washington, D. C. area. I have long puzzled over why the MN&S leased any refrigerator cars at all. Was there some perishable traffic on-line that the MN&S served exclusively. After all, the outfit connected with the CGW at Randolph, Minnesota, and with the SOO LINE at Shoreham Shops, and both the CGW and the SOO leased refrigerator cars from URTX.
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Thomas Baker wrote:
I have long puzzled over why the MN&S leased any refrigerator cars at all. Was there some perishable traffic on-line that the MN&S served exclusively.Think dairy. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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earlyrail
Posted by: "Anthony Thompson" thompson@... sigpress Northfield, Carnation Milk, condensed milk plant. The location was taken over by Malt-O-Meal. The buildings have been gone for some time. Howard Garner formally from Randolph. |
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Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Cyril, the photos were posted by Vern Wigfield, a retired agent for the M&StL. Vern is very generous and willing to share, I have
many photos from Vern's collection. I have noticed those he posts to the rrpicturearchives list often have the 1/1/1940 date because he has no idea when they were taken. But looking at the photos you linked, I would say they were taken before that date. I suggest you contact Vern, via the link on his photos. I am sure he would be more than happy to share with you what information he has. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org |
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