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New HO scale 70-ton flatcar
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SUVCWORR@...
P2K is a 50 ton car the IM is a 70 ton car.
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Rich Orr In a message dated 10/13/2008 7:04:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bierglaeser@... writes: Foobies??? How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2K 53'-6" flat car we already have? Gene Green OitwTtoEP --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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mcindoefalls
AAR 70-ton flatcar from Intermountain:
http://www.ircmodelersclub.com/images/flyer184w.jpg Walt Lankenau |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Walt Lankenau wrote:
AAR 70-ton flatcar from Intermountain:Now begins the dance to find out how many are foobies. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
Foobies???
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How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2K 53'-6" flat car we already have? Gene Green OitwTtoEP --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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Ed Hawkins
On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Gene Green wrote:
Foobies???Gene, In addition to the obvious differences in trucks, the following is a brief description of the differences. The fish-belly sides of the 50-ton AAR cars have a steeper slope than the 70-ton AAR cars, a different underframe arrangement, and the decks are significantly different. The 50-ton deck is wood from end to end. The 70-ton deck has steel plate flush with the top of the deck crosswise at the bolster plus T-sections of steel between the bolsters and end sills. Thus, the wood portion of the 70-ton deck is split into 5 sections, two small sections at each end and one larger section between the bolsters. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Gene Green wrote:
How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2K 53'-6" flat car we already have? Rich Orr replied: P2K is a 50 ton car the IM is a 70 ton car.True, but not helpful; and the underframe being a hair beefier is pretty hard to see on a flat car. Should Intermountain actually tool a 70-ton truck, that would be a nice addition--but I'm not holding my breath. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
I will be interested to see how the car is built, I am assuming a plastic frame, based on their 60' offering, which should make the car feather light. When I was a modern day modeler (I know. Shame on me!) I had some of their 60' flat cars and they were very light! But we all know what assuming does so I will stop there until we hear more.
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Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 13, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Gene Green wrote:How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2KRich Orr replied: The AAR 50 ton and 70 ton flat cars were entirely different designs. The 50 ton car was based on the Union Pacific F-50-11 class of 1941; the 70 ton car was derived from a series of cars with notably low decks built in the early 1940s for the Erie. As noted by Ed Hawkins, the sides were different and, I will add, the 70 ton cars had 14 stake pockets while the 50 ton cars had 15 per side. The four road names of IM's initial introduction are all authentic, and other RRs that rostered AAR 70 ton flats included the Santa Fe, New York Central, and Wabash, models of which will doubtless be coming from IM in later production runs. About the trucks I can't say anything until I see them. Richard Hendrickson |
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Andy Carlson
But Richard, you have seen them, they were under the Intermountain Railway Co. HO AC&F 2 compartment covered hoppers on display at the Santa Fe meet.
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-Andy Carlson, Ojai CA --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
About the trucks I can't say anything |
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mcindoefalls
--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote: As noted by Ed Hawkins,Thank you, Richard, I thought there was a difference in the stake pockets but couldn't remember what it was. Santa Fe is among the initial road names offered by IM; the others are New Haven 17352, Erie 8000, and B&O. (I can't read the Santa Fe and B&O road numbers on the artwork.) Walt Lankenau |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
But Richard, you have seen them, they were under the Intermountain Ah! THOSE trucks! Well, IIRC, they looked pretty good, though that was several months ago. Richard Hendrickson |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
The AAR 50 ton and 70 ton flat cars were entirely different designs.As Ed Hawkins also observed . . . I should have restricted myself to saying that the tonnage rating alone isn't particularly informative. And let's hope for the best on trucks. Intermountain is working on the 1958-cubic foot covered hoppers, also 70-ton cars, so there is a CHANCE of a new truck. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Peter Ness
Some New Haven 17300-series 70-ton flats (along with welded side
17200-series cars) were converted to TOFC service in the late '30's. These cars lasted in this role until ca. 1953 when replaced with 40' flats. The original converted 17300 (and 17200) series cars were capable of carrying two of the shorter trailers of the time. To my knowledge all 17300-series cars converted for TOFC service had the drop staff hand brake relocated from the end of the car to the side and replaced with a Peacock hand brake. Photos show that after the cars were returned from TOFC to general service, the side-mounted hand brake was retained. Later than 1953 (I don't have my references handy...) some 17300- series flats were modified with bulkhead ends into 19000-series bulkhead flats for brick and gypsum service. There were two groups in the 19000-series, with two different styles of bulkhead ends. Bottom line, the IM cars are most likely not foobies for New Haven - except depending on what road numbers are applied and what year the modeler places them in service, there is a chance the car with road number may not have been a straight 70t AAR flat. Hope this helps, Peter --- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote: P2K a53'-6" flat car we already have?Gene, brief description of the differences. The fish-belly sides of thehas steel plate flush with the top of the deck crosswise at the bolsterthe wood portion of the 70-ton deck is split into 5 sections, two small |
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David North <davenorth@...>
The Santa Fe number is 91500 which is listed in the live list as an FT-V
with 200 built by PSCM in 1944 and it appears all cars had bulkheads added in 1955, for pulpwood service. So even though the cars lasted until 1985 with 112 still on the roster in 1981, the apparent offering from IM restricts its suitability to 1944-55. So great for the steam/diesel transition modeler. Richard or others, did Santa Fe have other classes of this car, please? Oh, and the B&O number is 8400 Cheers Dave |
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John Hile <john66h@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...> wrote:
ProtoWest has a resin kit for this car and some prototype info and photos on their web site... http://www.protowestmodels.com/ProtoWest_HO_Kits.htm John Hile Blacksburg, VA |
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Owners include AT&SF/B&O/CNJ/DT&I/ERIE/IHB/NH/NYC/PM/WABASH.
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And maybe GTW (not sure) I found a terrific scan online of a CNJ flat loaded w/ autoframes. My concern is -- will the car have sufficient weight? IRC makes a 60ft modern equipment flat that is underweight. P2K solved the problem by making a diecast underframe. Tim O'Connor The AAR 50 ton and 70 ton flat cars were entirely different designs. |
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--- In STMFC@..., "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...> wrote:On Oct 14, 2008, at 7:48 AM, John Hile wrote: As does Sunshine Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 |
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
This seems to be one of the last of that batch of non-"signature" cars that
Richard did articles on, that had not been done. Of course, I just finished my resin version recently...well, it WAS fun. And a good kit. So, when is someone going to do the alternate standard twin offset hopper? That seems to be the most obvious missing car now, or am I missing another more obvious? Lastly, on the subject of flat cars, why hasn't Walthers re-done their GSC "Commonwealth" car as a state-of-the-art car. No laughing, now... Elden Gatwood ________________________________ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of John Hile Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:48 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...> wrote: <http://www.ircmodelersclub.com/images/flyer184w.jpg> ProtoWest has a resin kit for this car and some prototype info and photos on their web site... http://www.protowestmodels.com/ProtoWest_HO_Kits.htm <http://www.protowestmodels.com/ProtoWest_HO_Kits.htm> John Hile Blacksburg, VA |
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From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> So, when is someone going to do the alternate standard twin offset hopper?Sigh... evidently no one. I was very disappointed that Kadee didn't do it. Lastly, on the subject of flat cars, why hasn't Walthers re-done their GSCI like the Walthers car. It is better than Tichy's version and can be easily improved. And it has a separate deck. What's not to like? It would be nice to have the longer versions built for several roads in the 1960's. I'm sure many modelers would like a really good PS-3 two bay hopper. The only one out there is the ancient Trains Miniature tooling. If only Athearn had acquired the Stewart models -- then we'd get a bunch of radically improved hoppers with wire grabs instead of fat plastic grabs. Tim O'Connor |
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Greg Martin
Richard,
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If I am not mistaken the bolster and supports were visible on?top of the deck as well, making the decking itself "fit" around the exposed members, correct? Whereas the 50-ton car has the deck sheathing continuous without interuption.? Richard, as we have discussed, this is an important?car that has been missing from the plastic offerings. Greg Martin? -----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar On Oct 13, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote: Gene Green wrote:The AAR 50 ton and 70 ton flat cars were entirely different designs.How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2KRich Orr replied: The 50 ton car was based on the Union Pacific F-50-11 class of 1941; the 70 ton car was derived from a series of cars with notably low decks built in the early 1940s for the Erie. As noted by Ed Hawkins, the sides were different and, I will add, the 70 ton cars had 14 stake pockets while the 50 ton cars had 15 per side. The four road names of IM's initial introduction are all authentic, and other RRs that rostered AAR 70 ton flats included the Santa Fe, New York Central, and Wabash, models of which will doubtless be coming from IM in later production runs. About the trucks I can't say anything until I see them. Richard Hendrickson |
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