From a post earlier this year. "A total 975 from this series of cars were
renumbered to the 36000-36999 series in 1955. This was not just a simple
renumbering, but involved a sale to the Harris Trust Company, and lease for
refurbishing to Hyman-Michaels, although the actual work was performed at
the New Haven's own Readville Shops. If not already so modified, the cars
were equipped with Apex Tri-Lok steel running boards which replaced the
original wood running boards at this time. Steel floor plates were installed
between bolsters as well."

I have recently purchased Ted's excellent decals for these cars. They come
will also excellent trust plates. I assume that the cars sold and leased
back would have had the original trust plates removed, and possibly new ones
attached. Does anyone know if my assumption is correct. I want to model one
of the script herald cars in good condition so I want to model one of the
early lease back cars. just wondering if I should use the trust plates or
not.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Hi Brian,

There's a photo of NH 36099 rebuilt with script herald in Sweetland &
Horsley's NH Color Guide to Frt & Pass Equip. Examination of this
photo and other McGinnis "New Image" scheme 36000-series cars shows
the presence of a trust plate on the side sill to the lower left of
the door opening. You will also need Ted's D118.1 decal for the
triangular stencil to the right of the roadnumber. The triangle
contained the letters "WB" (for wire brushed) or "SB" (for
sandblasted) plus code numbers of prime and finish paint, also
location and date where the car was painted.

Unfortunately, I do not have an image or photo of a script herald
refurbished car from which I can read the information...NH 36099 is
the only photo of such a car in my references.

Hope this helps,
Peter

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

From a post earlier this year. "A total 975 from this series of

cars were

renumbered to the 36000-36999 series in 1955. This was not just a

simple

renumbering, but involved a sale to the Harris Trust Company, and

lease for

refurbishing to Hyman-Michaels, although the actual work was

performed at

the New Haven's own Readville Shops. If not already so modified,

the cars

were equipped with Apex Tri-Lok steel running boards which replaced

the

original wood running boards at this time. Steel floor plates were

installed

between bolsters as well."

I have recently purchased Ted's excellent decals for these cars.

They come

will also excellent trust plates. I assume that the cars sold and

leased

back would have had the original trust plates removed, and possibly

new ones

attached. Does anyone know if my assumption is correct. I want to

model one

of the script herald cars in good condition so I want to model one

of the

early lease back cars. just wondering if I should use the trust

plates or

not.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Thanks Peter, I have a Richard Burg broadside of 36003 c. 1959. At first
glance, I thought the discoloration on the sill to the left of the door was
just weathering. Upon close inspection, I see that is indeed a trust plate.
I should have expected that location since it is the same as the PS-1's and
postwar 10' IH cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Brian,
Funny you mention the 10'IH postwar cars....just completed those with
the Archer rivets (see the Archer rivets photo folder on STMFC) <G>.

Interestingly, photo evidence suggests these cars remained in script
herald until ca. 1966 when they were re-painted in the 'Alpert'
or 'Trustee' scheme. The same seems to hold true for the 31000-series
1937 AAR box cars. In effect, you can model many of the New Haven Box
Cars (except the 30000-series) in script herald up to 1960 (or beyond,
but that's past the scope of STMFC) and have a time-appropriate repaint
stencil.

Does your broadside of 36003 show the triangle stencil applied to the
right of the road number?

Regards,
Peter
--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

Thanks Peter, I have a Richard Burg broadside of 36003 c. 1959. At

first

glance, I thought the discoloration on the sill to the left of the

door was

just weathering. Upon close inspection, I see that is indeed a trust

plate.

I should have expected that location since it is the same as the PS-

1's and

postwar 10' IH cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

Brian,
Funny you mention the 10'IH postwar cars....just completed those with
the Archer rivets (see the Archer rivets photo folder on STMFC) <G>.

Interestingly, photo evidence suggests these cars remained in script
herald until ca. 1966 when they were re-painted in the 'Alpert'
or 'Trustee' scheme. The same seems to hold true for the 31000-series
1937 AAR box cars. In effect, you can model many of the New Haven Box
Cars (except the 30000-series) in script herald up to 1960 (or beyond,
but that's past the scope of STMFC) and have a time-appropriate repaint
stencil.

Does your broadside of 36003 show the triangle stencil applied to the
right of the road number?

Regards,
Peter
--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@> wrote:

Thanks Peter, I have a Richard Burg broadside of 36003 c. 1959. At

first

glance, I thought the discoloration on the sill to the left of the

door was

just weathering. Upon close inspection, I see that is indeed a trust

plate.

I should have expected that location since it is the same as the PS-

1's and

postwar 10' IH cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Peter, I'm interested in your comment about the 1937 AAR cars. I
model the far West, but we know from previous threads that box cars
traveled far and wide. What year were these built, square or W corner
posts, and are the Red Caboose kits correct? Also, what decals would
you recommend? I could add one to my growing pile of un-built kits.

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington, USA

Walter Clark wrote:

What year were these built, square or W corner posts, and are the Red

Caboose kits correct? Also, what decals would you recommend? I could add
one to my >growing pile of un-built kits.

Walter:
NH 30000-30999 were built in July 1941. They had W corner posts, wood
roofwalks, a variety of handbrakes, and black doors when built. As for
decals, use Ted C's excellent NH decals. I am using the Red caboose kit for
my model.

They had two other series built in 1944 but that is beyond your date of
interest.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Let me correct/revise the post I just made. The roster information from Ed
Hawkins has a built date of July 1941, The photo of 36003 has a built date
of August 1941. I am not sure which is correct. Cars have been repainted
with incorrect dates before.

36003 has a triangle to the right of the road number.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

On Oct 18, 2008, at 11:15 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Let me correct/revise the post I just made. The roster information
from Ed
Hawkins has a built date of July 1941, The photo of 36003 has a built
date
of August 1941. I am not sure which is correct. Cars have been
repainted
with incorrect dates before.

Brian,
In many cases I don't know the entire span of months for the production
of each group of cars in the rosters that I have compiled. The "build
date" column is the first month of production that I have found. This
is either based either on technical data (i.e., freight car diagram,
bill of materials information, etc.) or photographs of cars from the
series. In some cases I have no month shown. This means that I haven't
been able to locate a photograph of a car with a build date that's
readable. When this occurs I specify the year in which the cars were
built. This date can even be an estimate that's derived from
information contained in the yearly Railway Age freight car order
lists.

In the NH example the earliest build date I have found is 7-41.
Production of cars commonly spanned multiple months. I've seen some
orders built by railroads that spanned up to 6 months or longer. Two or
three months was very common for larger orders built by a car builder.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Brian (and Walter)

Ed's correct, the production of 30000-30999 lasted at least from July
to September '41. Cars repainted and renumbered into the 36000-
series ca. 1955 were not renumbered sequentially - i.e., car 30000
did not become car 36000 and so on, so by the time photos of these
cars are viewed in later years it is not surprising to determine that
car numbers no longer follow chronologically with build dates.

It's possible but not likely that the build dates were stenciled
incorrectly. I think the key is to understand the serialization of
the original road number was not maintained when the cars were
renumbered.

Walter, if time stopped in 1941, as Brian wrote, you are limited to
1937 AAR NH cars in the 30000-30999 series built by the Pressed Steel
Car Company. Brian's got the details correct. Ralph Harris wrote an
article on these cars in the Dec-96 RMC.

Branchline, RC and IM 1937 AAR Box cars are all correct. Branchline
Yardmaster makes correct paint scheme, later (31000-) road number
series. Note also the 30000-series was originally equipped with wood
running boards (like IM, RC and Branchline cars), so these are
correct for 1941. Note the NH cars were equipped with 8 1/2 x 10
journals...read the capy data on the cars, these were not 50ton
trucks. I also recommend staying away from 30900-30999 which were
equipped with Unit- type trucks. These can be modeled, but present a
bit of a challenge. You also have choices of Miner or Universal hand
brake gear.

Hope this helps.
Peter

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

On Oct 18, 2008, at 11:15 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Let me correct/revise the post I just made. The roster

information

from Ed
Hawkins has a built date of July 1941, The photo of 36003 has a

built

date
of August 1941. I am not sure which is correct. Cars have been
repainted
with incorrect dates before.

Brian,
In many cases I don't know the entire span of months for the

production

of each group of cars in the rosters that I have compiled.

The "build

date" column is the first month of production that I have found.

This

is either based either on technical data (i.e., freight car

diagram,

bill of materials information, etc.) or photographs of cars from

the

series. In some cases I have no month shown. This means that I

haven't

been able to locate a photograph of a car with a build date that's
readable. When this occurs I specify the year in which the cars

were

built. This date can even be an estimate that's derived from
information contained in the yearly Railway Age freight car order
lists.

In the NH example the earliest build date I have found is 7-41.
Production of cars commonly spanned multiple months. I've seen some
orders built by railroads that spanned up to 6 months or longer.

Two or

three months was very common for larger orders built by a car

builder.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

Note the NH cars were equipped with 8 1/2 x 10

journals...read the capy data on the cars, these were not 50ton
trucks.

Not true. Although it's interesting that NH stenciled a 120000 Capy on
the cars, if you add the LdLmt and LtWt the sum is 169,000 lbs., which
means 5-1/2" X 10" journal size, or 50 ton trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

Hi Brian,
I'll have to check the original drawings when I return home next
weekend. For last week and this I'm looking at scanned (and poorly at
that) images of the drawings from my current location.

Your math and suggested journal sizes certainly works.

Peter

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@> wrote:

Note the NH cars were equipped with 8 1/2 x 10

journals...read the capy data on the cars, these were not 50ton
trucks.

Not true. Although it's interesting that NH stenciled a 120000

Capy on

the cars, if you add the LdLmt and LtWt the sum is 169,000 lbs.,

which

means 5-1/2" X 10" journal size, or 50 ton trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV