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First offset-sides steel coal car
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SUVCWORR@...
The VGN 50000 was not an offset side car. It was an outside rib battleship
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gon. According to Martin Karig in "Coal Cars the First Three Hundred Years" The first offset cars were built for the C&O in 1921 (pg 261) #100000 - 100999. The first patent for the design was issued to John A. Pilcher (# 1,433,096) on Oct 24, 1922. The next patent was issued to Enterprise (#1,537,051) May 1925. Wine received a patent for a different offset design in 1929 (#1,698,866). A fourth patent was issued to William F. Kiesel, Jr. Mechanical Engineer for the PRR in 1931 (#1,834,952) and was used in the PRR class H27. (See pg 74 of Karig) See also Karig pg 298-329 for photos. The Wine design was licensed to the ARA and was adopted as the 1928 standard practice design. Rich Or In a message dated 10/22/2008 4:42:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
water.kresse@... writes: Folks, What and when was the first offset-sides construction coal car? I've the VGN 50000 120-ton gon blt June 1917 by Pressed Stl Car Co and VGN G4 Class blt in Nov 1920. Earlier N&W 90-ton gons were flush-sides cars. C&O 100000-10999 91-ton gons were not blt until Feb 1922 (Pressed Stl and Standard Stl car co's). Did the Pressed Steel Car Company have a patent on this design? Enterprise has a patent that is similar but for a hopper car construction in awarded in 1925. Al Kresse ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
Folks,
What and when was the first offset-sides construction coal car? I've the VGN 50000 120-ton gon blt June 1917 by Pressed Stl Car Co and VGN G4 Class blt in Nov 1920. Earlier N&W 90-ton gons were flush-sides cars. C&O 100000-10999 91-ton gons were not blt until Feb 1922 (Pressed Stl and Standard Stl car co's). Did the Pressed Steel Car Company have a patent on this design? Enterprise has a patent that is similar but for a hopper car construction in awarded in 1925. Al Kresse |
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aslt28 <karig@...>
I'm afraid that Al is correct, VGN 50000 was indeed an offset side
car. It was built in 1917 as one of four prototypes for the railroad. Al and I have been comparing notes, and we have as yet been unable to determine the source of this design, though as Al mentions, it is similar to some later Enterprise patents. Any thoughts? Bob Karig --- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote: battleship gon.Years" The first offset cars were built for the C&O in 1921 (pg 261) #100000 -100999. The first patent for the design was issued to John A. Pilcher (#1,433,096) on Oct 24, 1922. The next patent was issued to Enterprise(#1,537,051) May 1925. Wine received a patent for a different offset design in 1929Mechanical Engineer for the PRR in 1931 (#1,834,952) and was used in the PRR class H27.(See pg 74 of Karig) See also Karig pg 298-329 for photos. The Winedesign was licensed to the ARA and was adopted as the 1928 standard practicedesign.
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