Who currently makes an, HO ATSF 5000 Class 2-10-4 ?

I got an, "Historic Rail", catalog in the mail today and on the back
cover there is one shown, but no manufacturer, as they often don't
list. I couldn't get them by phone tonight.

I searched google, etc., and can't find any current maker of one.
Anyone know?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

This is not a freight car, of course, but Bachmann has made an HO ATSF
2-10-4. It is not entirely correct, as they used their ATSF 4-8-4
boiler on a 2-10-4 frame (from what I've heard).

John Thompson

--- In STMFC@..., "Paul & Bernice Hillman"
<chris_hillman@...> wrote:

Who currently makes an, HO ATSF 5000 Class 2-10-4 ?

I got an, "Historic Rail", catalog in the mail today and on the back
cover there is one shown, but no manufacturer, as they often don't
list. I couldn't get them by phone tonight.

I searched google, etc., and can't find any current maker of one.
Anyone know?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

Hmmm. Not seen on the Bachmann website, nor on Rivarossi . . .

SGL

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Hmmm. Not seen on the Bachmann website, nor on Rivarossi . . ."

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of
in your philosophy:
http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/bachmannhoscalelocomotives/id55.html


Ben Hom

Good exploration, Ben, but as I said, "not seen on the Bachmann website . . ." I didn't say you
couldn't find it ANYwhere on the web.

SGL

Paul,

Santa Fe had 4 separate groups of 2-10-4's, two were "one of a kind(s)";
?
3829, the world's first 2-10-4, built by Baldwin based upon the?3800 class 2-10-2 design, and?has been done in brass by Key, and recently in?plastic by Broadway Limited???

5000 "Madame Queen" 1929 Baldwin,?done by Hallmark models and recently by Coach Yard in several rebuilt versions.? The prototype 5000 is currently cosmetically restored and on display in Ammarillo,TX

The 5001 class (5001-5010) Baldwin 1938, with 74" drivers, done in brass by Westside Models as part of the
big three set, and again by Hallmark as a "Super Crown" in various versions in both HO & N scale.

5011 class (5011-5035)?Baldwin 1944-45, again with 74" drivers 56' tenders, several runs by PFM as a Tenshado "crown" & PFM United,?Hallmark Super Crowns, and most recently Global Imports.?This class was also done in O scale way back.

The Bachman 2-10-4 is a poor earlier?attempt at the 5011 class using the 3776/2900 class boiler casting and the NYC 4-8-4 centipeed tender.? Any of the other offerings would be a far better choice.

In the interest of this discussion group, the Madame Queen is conceptually more of?a "super power Bershire" with the benefit of an extra driver and more boiler HP.? Operationally, it helped?the shift from the drag freight era to high speed freight movement.??When new, the?freight cars seen behind?Madame Queen?would more likely be older 1920's built steel framed composite cars.? Only it's arrival on the eve of the Depression prevented follow-on orders.? The 5001's & 5011's are conceptually more of an oversized 4-8-4 and were known?for their speed and power.? Their "signature freight train" would be long strings of?reefers, mostly steel ice cooled reefers.?

Tom Casey?????

Paul;Go to Bachmanns website, http://www.bachmanntrains.com  , go to the products tab, Ho Scale, Steam Engines, and in the product or keyword search, type in 2-10-4. That will call up 4 versions scheduled for delivery in '09.Steve StullWinslow 7076Who currently makes an, HO ATSF 5000 Class 2-10-4 ?I searched google, etc., and can't find any current maker of one. Anyone know? Thanks, Paul Hillman




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Oops!! Apology to Mike Brock & group. I thought I'd posted this to the Steam Loco Group, but thanks for all of the inputs.

The HistoricRail photo is of a #5026 ATSF 2-10-4. Says, "Newly Tooled", die-cast boiler etc. Never bought from HistoricRail but get their catalogs. They often don't list the manufacturer of models. Will try to call them again later. They list it for $169.00. Want to check out the maker's info first.

Thanks, Paul Hillman

Good exploration, Ben, but as I said, "not seen on the Bachmann website . .
." I didn't say you
couldn't find it ANYwhere on the web.
SGL



The model Ben pointed to is the old version from Bachmann, with the NYC
tender.



Bachmann recently advised a re-release with the tender from their SF
Northern (I believe).

I think they are still using the body from their Northern.

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?searchStr=2-10-4
<http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?searchStr=2-10-4&act=vi
ewCat> &act=viewCat



cheers

Dave

A final note by me:

Found the engine in question on the Bachmann site and it's due in 2009. No info about it's construction materials sources.

Always wanted a 5000 Class, but brass was too expensive at the times, but it would be an inspiration for me to increase my fleet of steam-era ATSF steel reefers, and watch them roll by behind this engine.

Thanks, Paul Hillman