On 15-Nov-08, at 1:20 AM, Rob Kirkham wrote:

Ian, I wonder whether those renumbering guides allow one to trace
pre-renumbering number series into the later series? And are copies
available anywhere?

The answer to the first question is yes, with some exceptions. For some reason some series acquired a few extra cars during the renumbering program that are not referred to in the renumbering guides, and in the case of tank cars, there was a change in plan between 1920 and 1923. For 95% of the cars however, there is very clear "predecessor line car # X becomes CN car # Y" information such as the specific renumbering that I gave yesterday.

My photocopies came from two different sources -- the Bytown Railway Society has an original copy of the 1920 version, which I was able to photocopy, and I received a photocopy of major extracts of the 1923 guide from Stafford Swain (I don't know who holds the original). I am led to believe that some other copies survive as well (if memory serves correctly, I think that Library and Archives Canada has copies of both as part of the Andrew Merrilees collection).

Perhaps one of these days when I have nothing better to do (don't hold your breath though), I hope to scan and pdf some of these more important documents

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net

Ian, I wonder whether those renumbering guides allow one to trace pre-renumbering number series into the later series? And are copies available anywhere?

Rob Kirkham

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From: "Ian Cranstone" <lamontc@...>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific boxcars

On 14-Nov-08, at 3:31 AM, destron@... wrote:

Did DW&P freight cars ever undergo a renumbering? I found a builder's
photo of DW&P 30426, a 36' double-sheathed truss-rod boxcar built in
November, 1916, and am wondering if this might not later have
become part
of the 400800-401549 series of 36' boxcars listed in the April 1942
ORER.

It did. When the Canadian Northern system (including the DW&P) was
amalgamated with others to form the Canadian National Railways in
1918, the new system moved to rationalize the numbering systems of
its various predecessors. In December 1920 a renumbering guide was
issued for former Canadian Northern, Canadian Government Railways,
DW&P and Intercolonial equipment which neatly grouped equipment by
general type into new series. A second such guide was issued in 1923
to cover Grand Trunk and Grand Trunk Pacific equipment.

DW&P 30426 was assigned into the 4xxxxx series, which was reserved
for 40-ton boxcars, and this particular car was assigned DW&P
401013. A CN built date summary from the 1920s shows a built date of
October 1916 for this particular car, but I have seen stencilled
dates vary from the official recorded dates before.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net

Thanks for the answer, Ian.

The photo in Canadian Railway & Marine World, January 1917 issue, shows a
build date of November 1916 for this car.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

It did. When the Canadian Northern system (including the DW&P) was
amalgamated with others to form the Canadian National Railways in
1918, the new system moved to rationalize the numbering systems of
its various predecessors. In December 1920 a renumbering guide was
issued for former Canadian Northern, Canadian Government Railways,
DW&P and Intercolonial equipment which neatly grouped equipment by
general type into new series. A second such guide was issued in 1923
to cover Grand Trunk and Grand Trunk Pacific equipment.

DW&P 30426 was assigned into the 4xxxxx series, which was reserved
for 40-ton boxcars, and this particular car was assigned DW&P
401013. A CN built date summary from the 1920s shows a built date of
October 1916 for this particular car, but I have seen stencilled
dates vary from the official recorded dates before.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


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Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

On 14-Nov-08, at 3:31 AM, destron@... wrote:

Did DW&P freight cars ever undergo a renumbering? I found a builder's
photo of DW&P 30426, a 36' double-sheathed truss-rod boxcar built in
November, 1916, and am wondering if this might not later have become part
of the 400800-401549 series of 36' boxcars listed in the April 1942 ORER.

It did. When the Canadian Northern system (including the DW&P) was amalgamated with others to form the Canadian National Railways in 1918, the new system moved to rationalize the numbering systems of its various predecessors. In December 1920 a renumbering guide was issued for former Canadian Northern, Canadian Government Railways, DW&P and Intercolonial equipment which neatly grouped equipment by general type into new series. A second such guide was issued in 1923 to cover Grand Trunk and Grand Trunk Pacific equipment.

DW&P 30426 was assigned into the 4xxxxx series, which was reserved for 40-ton boxcars, and this particular car was assigned DW&P 401013. A CN built date summary from the 1920s shows a built date of October 1916 for this particular car, but I have seen stencilled dates vary from the official recorded dates before.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net

Did DW&P freight cars ever undergo a renumbering? I found a builder's
photo of DW&P 30426, a 36' double-sheathed truss-rod boxcar built in
November, 1916, and am wondering if this might not later have become part
of the 400800-401549 series of 36' boxcars listed in the April 1942 ORER.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC