A new line of inquiry has popped up (aways AFTER the shows that the photo vendors are at!!)....
Has anyone come across a picture of a Goodyear coal hopper car? Apparently the AC&Y served a Goodyear plant
that received coal in company owned cars from a Goodyear coal mine.
Charlie Vlk

Howdy,
 
    Do you have an image or two of these coal cars?  Can you share them or do you have a source where they can be purchased.
 
Thanks,
 
Bob McCarthy
Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S

1/20/08, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Goodyear Coal Hoppers
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 5:37 AM






A new line of inquiry has popped up (aways AFTER the shows that the photo vendors are at!!)....
Has anyone come across a picture of a Goodyear coal hopper car? Apparently the AC&Y served a Goodyear plant
that received coal in company owned cars from a Goodyear coal mine.
Charlie Vlk

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Bob-
That was my original question..... one of the AC&Y HS members reported seeing a photo of a string of such cars at the Goodyear plant on the AC&Y,
but the shot was partially blocked by a bluff, but showed that the cars were indeed lettered for Goodyear. I don't have a copy of that photo, and don't know
if one was made at the time of the research visit.
Charlie Vlk



Howdy,

Do you have an image or two of these coal cars? Can you share them or do you have a source where they can be purchased.

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy
Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S


.

In a message dated 11/20/2008 10:17:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jack.f.mullen@... writes:

Steve and Charlie,
from Westerfield's Oct. 1919 ORER CD, Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co.
listing dated Sept. 1919:

Cars marked G.T.&R.Co. or G.T.R.X.
Hopper 101-200 IL 40'2 IW 9'6 IH 7'1 OL 42' EW 10'1 ExW 10'1 3/8
Ht sides 10'6 Extr. Ht 11' 4 7/16 Capy 140,000# 100 cars

By the April 1925 ORER listing cubic capacity data is added, 2508
cuft. Still 100 cars.

Those are extremely close to the PRR H21a

IL 40-2 IW 9-6 IH OL 42-0 EW 10-3 ExW 10-2 HT 10-7 EX H 11-4 capy 140,000
cuft 2508

Rich Orr



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Charlie,

I'm probably at the root of this mystery. I've made two visits to
the U of Akron Archives in the last year. I'm searching for info to
support an article I'm developing about the end user side of the
carbon black story, specifically the tire companies in Akron served
by the AC&Y. However, as anyone who has dug into boxes of company
history will tell you, ya never know what you're gonna find. . . .

Anyway, the Goodyear hoppers - The Wheeling Township Coal & Mining
Co of Adena, OH was a wholly owned subsidiary of Goodyear in the
late teens / early 20's. The mine in Adena was served by the
Wheeling. Coal from the mine was handed to the AC&Y at Mogadore,
OH, about 5 miles East of Akron and the Goodyear plants.

In the Goodyear archives at the U of A are photos of the new mine
rail car loading building. Beneath the loading chutes in one of the
photos a W&LE hopper #77981 can be partially seen. Behind it is a
Goodyear car. The reporting marks on the end are GT&R CO. but the
road number can't be made out. You can also extrapolate lettering
on the side of the car to read The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co.
Again, no road number visible. The GT&R car looks to be brand new
in this early 20's era photo (an educated guess as to date) as does
the Wheeling car. The cars look similar as far as # of ribs go (the
only way of really comparing the cars from the photo) which would
lead one to believe the Wheeling influenced Goodyear as to the type
of car purchased. I'll bet someone took a photo of the new hoppers
the same day they shot the mine, but I've not located one in the
archives.

I've not found a clean photo of the W&LE 77000 series hoppers but
I'm betting the GT&R cars were the same.

I also found a photo of a string of what looks like GT&R cars on a
curve, loaded, presumably headed for Akron. The lettering can't be
read but one of the panels is gray and appears to have some
lettering on it.

Someone on the list no doubt has an equipment register of the era
and might be able to shed more light on the W&LE and GT&R cars based
on my sketchy starting point.

Steve Holzheimer
Greensboro, NC

--- In STMFC@..., "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote:

Bob-
That was my original question..... one of the AC&Y HS members

reported seeing a photo of a string of such cars at the Goodyear
plant on the AC&Y,

but the shot was partially blocked by a bluff, but showed that the

cars were indeed lettered for Goodyear. I don't have a copy of
that photo, and don't know

if one was made at the time of the research visit.
Charlie Vlk



Howdy,

Do you have an image or two of these coal cars? Can you

share them or do you have a source where they can be purchased.

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy
Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S


.

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--- In STMFC@..., "acyelnkp" <saholzheimer@...> wrote:

<snip>

I've not found a clean photo of the W&LE 77000 series hoppers but
I'm betting the GT&R cars were the same.

There's a photo of WLE 77241 in Kline and Culotta, "The Postwar Freight
Car Fleet", p 143.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Steve and Charlie,
from Westerfield's Oct. 1919 ORER CD, Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co.
listing dated Sept. 1919:

Cars marked G.T.&R.Co. or G.T.R.X.
Hopper 101-200 IL 40'2 IW 9'6 IH 7'1 OL 42' EW 10'1 ExW 10'1 3/8
Ht sides 10'6 Extr. Ht 11' 4 7/16 Capy 140,000# 100 cars

By the April 1925 ORER listing cubic capacity data is added, 2508
cuft. Still 100 cars.

Still 100 cars Dec.1930 ORER Not listed by July, 1935

from the W&LE listing from the 10/19 ORER:
Hopper, steel 77000-77999 IL 38'6 IW 9'5 1/2 OL 39'4 1/2 EW 10'2 1/4
Ht 10'3 Cuft 2365 Capy 140,000# 1000 cars

On that evidence, not the same.

Jack Mullen

Steve (the source of this mystery), Jack and Rich-

Fellow N Scalers and AC&Y/ABB fans Ed Hunter and Scott Weiler laid this one on me from Steve.
I hadn't done the ORER work yet; thanks Jack. Rich, it would be nice if they did match the PRR H21a...
It is probable that a 100 car order for an industrial firm would follow an existing design and likely be a tack-on to a batch already being built.
I agree that somewhere a photo will turn up; that was my goal in my original posting.
I am working with Ed and Scott to do artwork for AC&Y and ABB decals and would likely throw these into the mix. I have to figure out what
Ed and Scott need to do for me when I get the art done.....
Charlie Vlk

Thanks to Jack and Rich for the ORER work. And to Al for reminding
me to look at Kline & Culotta. I usually go there first but since
the subject is a NKP family relation I bypassed that source. Good
photo with a note stating the WLE cars originally had longitudinal
hoppers.

I've posted two blow up views in the Photo section under the "GT&R
Hoppers" folder title. Look at pg 128 of K&C and compare the PRR
H21 to the long view of the three GT&R hoppers. It's tough to see
but based on close scrutiny of my photo of the orginal photo I'll
call the GT&R as having the same 4 self clearing doors. So perhaps
Goodyear contracted with the PRR for the cars. Where would the PRR
be building the H21a by this time (1916 - 1919)? I note in the text
on pg 128 that 1915 is marked as the start date for H21a, which fits
the GTR time line. Nothing like it in N scale though Charlie.

Contact me off list RE the decal project Charlie. I've been trading
cryptic messages with Ed since Naperville. I might be able to save
you some artwork development time.

Steve Holzheimer
GSO, NC

--- In STMFC@..., "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote:

Steve (the source of this mystery), Jack and Rich-

Fellow N Scalers and AC&Y/ABB fans Ed Hunter and Scott Weiler laid

this one on me from Steve.

I hadn't done the ORER work yet; thanks Jack. Rich, it would be

nice if they did match the PRR H21a...

It is probable that a 100 car order for an industrial firm would

follow an existing design and likely be a tack-on to a batch already
being built.

I agree that somewhere a photo will turn up; that was my goal in

my original posting.

I am working with Ed and Scott to do artwork for AC&Y and ABB

decals and would likely throw these into the mix. I have to figure
out what

Ed and Scott need to do for me when I get the art done.....
Charlie Vlk