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IRC War Emergency Boxcars
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Eric Mumper <ericmumper@...>
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The Oklahoma City Train show proved to be a great trip since so many manufacturers were there including Intermountain. They were publicly showing something that should be of great interest to all of us: 40' War Emergency single sheathed boxcar test shots. There were 3 of them labeled underneath for NKP/Wabash, ATSF/GM&O/Alton, and CNW. They were sitting on top of a photocopied article by Richard Hendrickson about the ATSF cars. Since I had not gotten my eyeballs calibrated before going, I cannot really comment on accuracy although the tooling for the sides looked great. Eric Mumper |
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The Wabash car sides were somewhat different than the other
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owners. I assume that's why Sunshine never did them. And I think the ATSF cars had unique doors. Did you notice if the test shots were all identical or not? Tim O'Connor At 12/8/2008 11:45 AM Monday, you wrote:
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Paul Lyons
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Interestingly, the real odd version?were the Northern Pacific war emergency cars, which Sunshine did do. Abeit, with the wrong underframe. Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, Ca -----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:13 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars The Wabash car sides were somewhat different than the other owners. I assume that's why Sunshine never did them. And I think the ATSF cars had unique doors. Did you notice if the test shots were all identical or not? Tim O'Connor At 12/8/2008 11:45 AM Monday, you wrote: Group, |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
The Wabash car sides were somewhat different than the other In fact, the doors on the Santa Fe cars weren't unique; they were the same composite doors (corrugated steel lower, wood upper) that were applied to the Alton cars, which in 1947 went to the GM&O. Both groups of cars were built at about the same time by GATC and were essentially identical except for the trucks (ASF A-3 on the Santa Fe cars, AAR with spring planks on the Alton cars). Richard Hendrickson |
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Paul, I did not know that about the NP cars. What is special
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about the NP underframes? Tim O' At 12/8/2008 02:08 PM Monday, you wrote:
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Paul Lyons
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I do not remember all the details, but Ted Culotta posted a photo of the UF to his old freight car web site. It is still probably there. The car car had four cross bearers-one at each panel point-best?I?remember. I will look at my finished model tonight when I am home. Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA -----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:28 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars Paul, I did not know that about the NP cars. What is special about the NP underframes? Tim O' At 12/8/2008 02:08 PM Monday, you wrote: Tim, |
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Steve SANDIFER
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From: cobrapsl@... To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars Tim, I do not remember all the details, but Ted Culotta posted a photo of the UF to his old freight car web site. It is still probably there. The car car had four cross bearers-one at each panel point-best?I?remember. I will look at my finished model tonight when I am home. Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA -----Original Message----- From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:28 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars Paul, I did not know that about the NP cars. What is special about the NP underframes? Tim O' At 12/8/2008 02:08 PM Monday, you wrote: >Tim, >Interestingly, the real odd version were the Northern Pacific >war emergency cars, which Sunshine did do. Abeit, with the wrong >underframe. > >Paul Lyons >Laguna Niguel, Ca |
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jerryglow2
Any pics of it from the event or otherwise? I did not see it on
<http://www.pbase.com/superfleet93/oklahoma_city_train_show_2008> which covered a lot that was there. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., "Eric Mumper" <ericmumper@...> wrote: them labeled underneath for NKP/Wabash, ATSF/GM&O/Alton, and CNW. Theywere sitting on top of a photocopied article by Richard Hendrickson aboutthe sides looked great. |
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Chet French <cfrench@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Tim, The Wabash cars, 87000-87124, were built at the Wabash's Decatur, IL shop in 1944, with straight side sills between the bolsters. This was common on all Wabash 40' box cars built at Decatur between 1942 and 1952. A letter dated July 27, 1949, authorized gussets to be added at the side plate and side sill at the posts. Photos show that they were also added at the top and bottom of the door openings. The letter doesn't state what prompted the addition of the gussets, perhaps the railroad had experienced some type of failure with the cars. Not sure if all the cars received the gussets. I just checked four photos and three cars had them. Chet French Dixon, IL |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Chet French wrote:
A letter dated July 27, 1949, authorized gussets to be added at the side plate and side sill at the posts. Photos show that they were also added at the top and bottom of the door openings. The letter doesn't state what prompted the addition of the gussets . . .In the late 1940s and early 1950s, SP added gussets at the lower corners of door openings on several classes of all-steel box cars due to cracking at that location. These are shown in my volumes on SP auto and box cars. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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