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B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?
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Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
Well another year almost by us and I still would like a B&O M-53 Wagon
Top on the layout. For a steam - early diesl layout they are a must have in a rail yard. I got my wish last year with the ART steel reefer being issued so perhaps there's hope. Anybody heard any rumors of a scale B&O car being done in plastic? Charlie Modeling 'the Mop' http://mopac51.tripod.com/index.html |
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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Charlie,
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How about http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/ . Click on "signature series" at left. May not be Intermountain quality, but maybe it will do for a stand-in until something else comes along. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Charlie Duckworth wrote: Well another year almost by us and I still would like a B&O M-53 Wagon Top on the layout. For a steam - early diesl layout they are a must have in a rail yard. I got my wish last year with the ART steel reefer being issued so perhaps there's hope. |
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brianehni <behni@...>
Or, how about building a kit that will look right?
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http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sunpricelistsum08.pdf See page 6 for 4 B&O wagontops, 3 of which are M53s. Funaro and Camerlengo also make various wagontop kits: http://www.fandckits.com/ The B&O links will show you 9 different wagontops, including 5 M53, 2 M50, amd 2 M15 kits. Brian Ehni --- In STMFC@..., "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote:
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Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
The F&C version with its one piece body is much easier to build.
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Jim Hayes Portland Oregon -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of brianehni Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:15 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future? Or, how about building a kit that will look right? http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sunpricelistsum08.pdf See page 6 for 4 B&O wagontops, 3 of which are M53s. Funaro and Camerlengo also make various wagontop kits: http://www.fandckits.com/ The B&O links will show you 9 different wagontops, including 5 M53, 2 M50, amd 2 M15 kits. Brian Ehni |
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Garth Groff wrote:
"How about http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/ . Click on 'signature series' at left. May not be Intermountain quality, but maybe it will do for a stand-in until something else comes along." Gotta agree with Brian and Jim - $29.95 for what is essentially the old Cannonball Car Shops/Red Ball kit is questionable, especially when you can spend the same amount of money for a much nicer resin kit from Sunshine or Funaro. Ben Hom |
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Paul Lyons
It is also to "small". We have been through this once before-Check past posts!
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Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA -----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:25 pm Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future? The F&C version with its one piece body is much easier to build. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of brianehni Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:15 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future? Or, how about building a kit that will look right? http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sunpricelistsum08.pdf See page 6 for 4 B&O wagontops, 3 of which are M53s. Funaro and Camerlengo also make various wagontop kits: http://www.fandckits.com/ The B&O links will show you 9 different wagontops, including 5 M53, 2 M50, amd 2 M15 kits. Brian Ehni |
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Bill Darnaby
Buyer beware with the old Cannonball kit. They are notorious for being too wide. Go with resin.
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Bill Darnaby
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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Ben,
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I agree that Sunshine or F&C's resin kits would give a superior model. I have one of the Sunshine cars (unbuilt, of course :-D ). But the original question concerned a plastic kit, and that's what Cannonball's is. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff benjaminfrank_hom wrote: Garth Groff wrote: |
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Charles Morrill
John,
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Is the B&O boxcar available now? I do not find any mention of it on the SCMW web pages. Charlie ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Mateyko" <rattler21@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:28 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future? St. Charles Model Works has one in O scale.Wagon |
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Larry Kline
The O scale B&O M-53 Wagon Top is available from Rails Unlimited
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http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Models/40boxcars.html Larry Kline Pittsburgh, PA --- In STMFC@..., "Charles Morrill" <badlands@...> wrote:
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Dean Payne
--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:
I think the original post may have been referring to this from 2005, which gave me hope that a plastic wagon top would be available in the foreseeable future: On Sep 21, 2005, at 10:18 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:Why want a plastic wagon top (besides the already mentioned CannonballLet me predict that -someone- is working on a B&O Wagontop inanyone ever wake up and give us the AAR alternate standard offet hopper? kit with it's problems)? I hear the Sunshine is a bit of a challenge to get the sides on without gaps, the Funaro & Camerlengo kit is allegedly top-heavy due to the thick sides... It is available in the M-15K rebuild and M53 versions, which adds some nice variation. The thing is, they do other more obscure and less distinctive freight cars in plastic, why not the wagon tops? (I know, "Why did mfgr X chose to produce such-and-such instead of fill-in-the-blank" has been asked many times before.) Dean Payne |
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jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
With my Cannonball wagontop kit, the two sides were not the same
curvature and shape. So built as intended, it would be lopsided. All parts fitted poorly. I thought about making it into a trackside shed but it lacked sufficient accurate detail, shape, symmetry, and dignity. The styrene used in old Cannonball kits was such that it stress whitened with the slightest machining, such that you could not see where to make the next stroke. This makes all the rework required an exercise in aggravation management. I understand their blue box series has some etched brass details, but if any plastic parts remain, that would just be gold plating a toad. I cannot recommend the Cannonball wagontop at all. The only satisfaction I felt about this kit was upon reselling it. --- In STMFC@..., "william darnaby" <WDarnaby@...> wrote: being too wide. Go with resin.the old when youCannonball Car Shops/Red Ball kit is questionable, especially can spend the same amount of money for a much nicer resin kit from |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Jim Mischke wrote:
With my Cannonball wagontop kit, the two sides were not the same curvature and shape. So built as intended, it would be lopsided. All parts fitted poorly.They sure did fit poorly, though mine wasn't lopsided. I recall vividly having that wish for an additional hand or two to hold everything during assembly, since nothing was indexed or keyed. The final result was indeed sub-par as to some details, though from the "three-foot rule" perspective it was okay. Or the Mike Brock "passing train component" rule. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Charles Hladik
About 10 years ago, I tried to convince Life Like to produce a "wagon top",
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and was informed that they wanted cars that were bought by at least 10 roads. I tried to impress the fact of the ubiquitous ness of this car with no luck. Still today, one sits on the ground at a very small scrap dealer in Danville, Virginia as a storage shed. It is a faded green with no trucks and no way to get photos. It's behind a cyclone fence next to US 58 that has no place to pull off and the folks at the yard are very much less than friendly. I went with a couple of F&C kits and like them. In O scale, a few years ago 3rd Rail (Sunset) offered these at $150.00, along with the "wagon top" covered hopper and caboose at the same price. Chuck Hladik Rutland Railroad Virginia Division. In a message dated 12/21/2008 10:22:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bakert@... writes: It is interesting that some modelers apparently consider the B&O M-53 wagon top a model with limited appeal. True enough, the car was unique to the B&O, but didn't it show up on almost every railroad in the country. We certainly saw numerous examples on railroads around Minneapolis/O, but didn't it show up on almost ever&O. Yes, the car was unique to the B&O; but, like the MILW horizonatally-O; but, like the MILW horizonatally-<WBR>ribbed cars, so Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) |
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Garth Groff wrote:
"I agree that Sunshine or F&C's resin kits would give a superior model. I have one of the Sunshine cars (unbuilt, of course :-D ). But the original question concerned a plastic kit, and that's what Cannonball's is." Dean Payne added: "I think the original post may have been referring to this from 2005, which gave me hope that a plastic wagon top would be available in the foreseeable future: 'Why want a plastic wagon top (besides the already mentioned Cannonball kit with it's [sic] problems)? I hear the Sunshine is a bit of a challenge to get the sides on without gaps, the Funaro & Camerlengo kit is allegedly top-heavy due to the thick sides... It is available in the M-15K rebuild and M53 versions, which adds some nice variation. The thing is, they do other more obscure and less distinctive freight cars in plastic, why not the wagon tops?'" The B&O Class M-53 was one of several prototypes allegedly tooled in HO by a certain individual back in 2004-2006. Since then, no models have been produced and no other status is known. This is a big sticking point, as many injection-molded manufacturers are not willing to risk investing in models being done by someone else, especially if it's perceived as a "one road" or "limited appeal" prototype. Anyone know more about this situation? Ben Hom |
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Andy Carlson
Ben Hom wrote:
The B&O Class M-53 was one of several prototypes allegedly tooled in HO by a certain individual back in 2004-2006. Since then, no models have been produced and no other status is known. This is a big sticking point, as many injection-molded manufacturers are not willing to risk investing in models being done by someone else, especially if it's perceived as a "one road" or "limited appeal" prototype. Anyone know more about this situation? Ben Hom I was told about this a few years ago. seems that Jerry Porter, the former co-founder of Intermountain railway Co. and later founder of the IMWX Co. started tooling an injection molded one-piece B&O wagon top boxcar in HO. He apparently had some problems with it, and it languished for a few years, unfinished. The project was offered for sale to a smaller manufacturer who upon inspection, laughed and called the mess a waste of material, only the mold base was deemed salvageable. I don't know the current status, perhaps it was sold for scrap? But the timeline for this goes further back than 2004-2006. Branchline was rumored to be considering a B&O round roof car. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA |
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Thomas Baker
It is interesting that some modelers apparently consider the B&O M-53 wagon top a model with limited appeal. True enough, the car was unique to the B&O, but didn't it show up on almost every railroad in the country. We certainly saw numerous examples on railroads around Minneapolis/St. Paul, some distance away from the B&O.
Yes, the car was unique to the B&O; but, like the MILW horizonatally-ribbed cars, so ubiquitous that it showed up everywhere. Tom |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Andy Carlson wrote:
The project was offered for sale to a smaller manufacturer who upon inspection, laughed and called the mess a waste of material, only the mold base was deemed salvageable. I don't know the current status, perhaps it was sold for scrap? But the timeline for this goes further back than 2004-2006. Branchline was rumored to be considering a B&O round roof car.This may be a literally true story, but I always worry about stories getting "improved" with time, so that the "laughing" at the tooling may be a later enlargement of the story. Yet now that Andy has posted this version, it's going to be repeated, since stuff "on the internet" is regarded as gospel by some. I guess I am a little doubtful that Jerry Porter could not tell if tooling was "a mess," given all his experience in the business. Perhaps the confused person was the prospective buyer. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Andy Carlson wrote:The project was offered for sale to a smaller manufacturer who uponthe I'll second Tony's skepticism here. Jerry Porter's business acumen was awful, but his technical expertise was very good. I'd believe this yarn only if Jerry had contracted the project to an inept toolmaker. It wouldn't be the first time that a toolmaker produced an unacceptable product and then tried to palm it off on someone other than the person who commissioned it. Richard Hendrickson |
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rfederle@...
Might be worth a second try at getting permission. You never know. They may have a change of heart.
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A similar situation in Hamilton Ohio. There is a PRR Brick Freight House standing and is now a scrap dealers office. It too sits behind fencing and only one or two sides visible to photograph. I e-mailed the owner and surprisingly have been granted permission. I explained that I wanted to photograph the entire exterior and they told me to call before comimng. I should be up that way in a few months. Give another shot, if you want to. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Robert Federle ---- RUTLANDRS@... wrote:
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