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New ART steel reefer
jerryglow2
I corresponded with Ed and he replied
"You are correct that Oddballs decal set 548 for the wood reefer
should provide the heralds to modify the steel reefer offered by the
MPHS/Amarillo RR Museum to update the scheme for the 24000-24449
steel cars to the scheme applied 1948-1950."
He did state he hasn't seen the set to verify it's accuracy but for
the purpose here should be fine. I used them to complete my otherwise
Champ and ALPS lettered car as can be seen:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/ART.html
Jerry Glow
--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
"You are correct that Oddballs decal set 548 for the wood reefer
should provide the heralds to modify the steel reefer offered by the
MPHS/Amarillo RR Museum to update the scheme for the 24000-24449
steel cars to the scheme applied 1948-1950."
He did state he hasn't seen the set to verify it's accuracy but for
the purpose here should be fine. I used them to complete my otherwise
Champ and ALPS lettered car as can be seen:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/ART.html
Jerry Glow
--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
the
The interim scheme was just like the original scheme except a MP
buzzsaw emblem (red and white with a blue border) was applied to
left side of the car over the reporting marks and a small Wabashflag
was in the same position on the right side of the car. The interiminterim
scheme was used for only about two years. Photos of repainted ART
reefers in the interim scheme are pretty scarce. Photos of the
scheme have been more commonly found on series 26900-27999 thatwere
built new in mid-1948 and originally lettered in the interim scheme.
...... If the right decals were available for
the buzzsaw and flag, the 1948-1950 interim scheme could easily be
created by using the original model and adding the decals.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Paul Lyons
Thanks Ed,
Since I model December 1950, I will but a couple of the kits and use a little modelers license with the re-paint date.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA
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Since I model December 1950, I will but a couple of the kits and use a little modelers license with the re-paint date.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New ART steel reefer
On Dec 20, 2008, at 11:49 AM, cobrapsl@... wrote:
In answering your question I will do so in a more general way to help
modelers of the 1940s through the 1950s understand their options for
these ART reefers. Some of this may be a rehash of information that's
previously been discussed on the STMFC.
The original lettering scheme used by ART on their steel reefers was
applied to new and repainted cars from 1936 to early 1948, at which
time an interim scheme began use and documented on new cars built in
May and June 1948. Refer to Charlie Duckworth's article in RP CYC
Volume 2, which sheds some light on the subject.
The interim scheme was just like the original scheme except a MP
buzzsaw emblem (red and white with a blue border) was applied to the
left side of the car over the reporting marks and a small Wabash flag
was in the same position on the right side of the car. The interim
scheme was used for only about two years. Photos of repainted ART
reefers in the interim scheme are pretty scarce. Photos of the interim
scheme have been more commonly found on series 26900-27999 that were
built new in mid-1948 and originally lettered in the interim scheme.
The MPHS and Amarillo Railroad Museum is considering producing the
interim scheme, however, we are yet to locate a photo of the prototype
cars built 1939-1944 (original series 24000-24449 with the horizontal
side seams) with this scheme. If the right decals were available for
the buzzsaw and flag, the 1948-1950 interim scheme could easily be
created by using the original model and adding the decals.
Any ART reefers receiving the original scheme as late as 1947 would
have gone into the early 1950s with that scheme before being repainted
with the new post-1950 scheme. Modelers of the 1951-1952 period
(possibly even 1953, but that's starting to stretch it) could
theoretically have all three ART schemes at the same time.
The ART models now being offered wore a scheme first used circa
mid-1950 to the early 1960s. The large Wabash flag drawing was dated
April 1950, however the earliest car I've located with this scheme had
a reweigh date of March 1951. Just like PFE reefers had changes in
their painting and lettering practices, ART did the same during the mid
to late 1950s with the dropping of 1" bars over and under the reporting
marks, dropping the periods in the reporting marks, adding a trademark
symbol next to the Wabash flag, and eventually painting the sides
entirely yellow instead of keeping the black side sill and door
hardware. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New ART steel reefer
On Dec 20, 2008, at 11:49 AM, cobrapsl@... wrote:
Jerry,Paul,
When were the cars painted in the "classic scheme". I know I have
this somewhere, but I am heading out the door for the day.
In answering your question I will do so in a more general way to help
modelers of the 1940s through the 1950s understand their options for
these ART reefers. Some of this may be a rehash of information that's
previously been discussed on the STMFC.
The original lettering scheme used by ART on their steel reefers was
applied to new and repainted cars from 1936 to early 1948, at which
time an interim scheme began use and documented on new cars built in
May and June 1948. Refer to Charlie Duckworth's article in RP CYC
Volume 2, which sheds some light on the subject.
The interim scheme was just like the original scheme except a MP
buzzsaw emblem (red and white with a blue border) was applied to the
left side of the car over the reporting marks and a small Wabash flag
was in the same position on the right side of the car. The interim
scheme was used for only about two years. Photos of repainted ART
reefers in the interim scheme are pretty scarce. Photos of the interim
scheme have been more commonly found on series 26900-27999 that were
built new in mid-1948 and originally lettered in the interim scheme.
The MPHS and Amarillo Railroad Museum is considering producing the
interim scheme, however, we are yet to locate a photo of the prototype
cars built 1939-1944 (original series 24000-24449 with the horizontal
side seams) with this scheme. If the right decals were available for
the buzzsaw and flag, the 1948-1950 interim scheme could easily be
created by using the original model and adding the decals.
Any ART reefers receiving the original scheme as late as 1947 would
have gone into the early 1950s with that scheme before being repainted
with the new post-1950 scheme. Modelers of the 1951-1952 period
(possibly even 1953, but that's starting to stretch it) could
theoretically have all three ART schemes at the same time.
The ART models now being offered wore a scheme first used circa
mid-1950 to the early 1960s. The large Wabash flag drawing was dated
April 1950, however the earliest car I've located with this scheme had
a reweigh date of March 1951. Just like PFE reefers had changes in
their painting and lettering practices, ART did the same during the mid
to late 1950s with the dropping of 1" bars over and under the reporting
marks, dropping the periods in the reporting marks, adding a trademark
symbol next to the Wabash flag, and eventually painting the sides
entirely yellow instead of keeping the black side sill and door
hardware. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Ed Hawkins
On Dec 20, 2008, at 11:49 AM, cobrapsl@... wrote:
In answering your question I will do so in a more general way to help
modelers of the 1940s through the 1950s understand their options for
these ART reefers. Some of this may be a rehash of information that's
previously been discussed on the STMFC.
The original lettering scheme used by ART on their steel reefers was
applied to new and repainted cars from 1936 to early 1948, at which
time an interim scheme began use and documented on new cars built in
May and June 1948. Refer to Charlie Duckworth's article in RP CYC
Volume 2, which sheds some light on the subject.
The interim scheme was just like the original scheme except a MP
buzzsaw emblem (red and white with a blue border) was applied to the
left side of the car over the reporting marks and a small Wabash flag
was in the same position on the right side of the car. The interim
scheme was used for only about two years. Photos of repainted ART
reefers in the interim scheme are pretty scarce. Photos of the interim
scheme have been more commonly found on series 26900-27999 that were
built new in mid-1948 and originally lettered in the interim scheme.
The MPHS and Amarillo Railroad Museum is considering producing the
interim scheme, however, we are yet to locate a photo of the prototype
cars built 1939-1944 (original series 24000-24449 with the horizontal
side seams) with this scheme. If the right decals were available for
the buzzsaw and flag, the 1948-1950 interim scheme could easily be
created by using the original model and adding the decals.
Any ART reefers receiving the original scheme as late as 1947 would
have gone into the early 1950s with that scheme before being repainted
with the new post-1950 scheme. Modelers of the 1951-1952 period
(possibly even 1953, but that's starting to stretch it) could
theoretically have all three ART schemes at the same time.
The ART models now being offered wore a scheme first used circa
mid-1950 to the early 1960s. The large Wabash flag drawing was dated
April 1950, however the earliest car I've located with this scheme had
a reweigh date of March 1951. Just like PFE reefers had changes in
their painting and lettering practices, ART did the same during the mid
to late 1950s with the dropping of 1" bars over and under the reporting
marks, dropping the periods in the reporting marks, adding a trademark
symbol next to the Wabash flag, and eventually painting the sides
entirely yellow instead of keeping the black side sill and door
hardware. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Jerry,Paul,
When were the cars painted in the "classic scheme". I know I have
this somewhere, but I am heading out the door for the day.
In answering your question I will do so in a more general way to help
modelers of the 1940s through the 1950s understand their options for
these ART reefers. Some of this may be a rehash of information that's
previously been discussed on the STMFC.
The original lettering scheme used by ART on their steel reefers was
applied to new and repainted cars from 1936 to early 1948, at which
time an interim scheme began use and documented on new cars built in
May and June 1948. Refer to Charlie Duckworth's article in RP CYC
Volume 2, which sheds some light on the subject.
The interim scheme was just like the original scheme except a MP
buzzsaw emblem (red and white with a blue border) was applied to the
left side of the car over the reporting marks and a small Wabash flag
was in the same position on the right side of the car. The interim
scheme was used for only about two years. Photos of repainted ART
reefers in the interim scheme are pretty scarce. Photos of the interim
scheme have been more commonly found on series 26900-27999 that were
built new in mid-1948 and originally lettered in the interim scheme.
The MPHS and Amarillo Railroad Museum is considering producing the
interim scheme, however, we are yet to locate a photo of the prototype
cars built 1939-1944 (original series 24000-24449 with the horizontal
side seams) with this scheme. If the right decals were available for
the buzzsaw and flag, the 1948-1950 interim scheme could easily be
created by using the original model and adding the decals.
Any ART reefers receiving the original scheme as late as 1947 would
have gone into the early 1950s with that scheme before being repainted
with the new post-1950 scheme. Modelers of the 1951-1952 period
(possibly even 1953, but that's starting to stretch it) could
theoretically have all three ART schemes at the same time.
The ART models now being offered wore a scheme first used circa
mid-1950 to the early 1960s. The large Wabash flag drawing was dated
April 1950, however the earliest car I've located with this scheme had
a reweigh date of March 1951. Just like PFE reefers had changes in
their painting and lettering practices, ART did the same during the mid
to late 1950s with the dropping of 1" bars over and under the reporting
marks, dropping the periods in the reporting marks, adding a trademark
symbol next to the Wabash flag, and eventually painting the sides
entirely yellow instead of keeping the black side sill and door
hardware. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Paul Lyons
Jerry,
When were the cars painted in the "classic scheme". I know I have this somewhere, but I am heading out the door for the day.
Thanks,
Paul Lyons
Laguna NIguel, CA
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When were the cars painted in the "classic scheme". I know I have this somewhere, but I am heading out the door for the day.
Thanks,
Paul Lyons
Laguna NIguel, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: asychis@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 7:42 am
Subject: [STMFC] New ART steel reefer
Hi Guys,
The Amarillo Railroad Museum and the Missouri Pacific Historical Society
have a joint venture to offer ART steel reefers custom made by InterMountain.
As you might know, we've had the as-delivered paint scheme avaialbe for some
time and that run is almost sold out. We have just brought in the second run
which is the "classic scheme" with Wabash flag and MP buzzsaw hearlds in
addition to the ART shield. This is a limited run of 300 kits and 300 assembled
cars. The assembled cars are available in five numbers. The kits are
unnumbered but decals will be included so you can add your own numbers and reweigh
date/location. The cars represent the 32000 series with Preco fans and the
33000 series with Equipco fans. If interested, please check out our website
(_www.amarillorailmuseum.com_ (http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com/) ) for the
new cars, or our e-Bay listing for the older run in the 22000 series. If you
have any questions, please e-mail me off list at _asychis@...
(mailto:asychis@...) . I have to mention that our website is in a sort of shambles
due to an inept webmaster who has seemed to have gone AWOL. We have five
numbers, not eight. The price is $18.95 for kits and $29.95 for assembled cars.
The decals for the kits have been delayed until after 1/1/09, but we'll send
them to you under separate cover at no additional cost for those buying
kits. If you want decals for the assembled cars (i.e. you want to change the
numbers on these cars), the cost for a set of decals is $2.00.
Thanks,
Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum
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From: asychis@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 7:42 am
Subject: [STMFC] New ART steel reefer
Hi Guys,
The Amarillo Railroad Museum and the Missouri Pacific Historical Society
have a joint venture to offer ART steel reefers custom made by InterMountain.
As you might know, we've had the as-delivered paint scheme avaialbe for some
time and that run is almost sold out. We have just brought in the second run
which is the "classic scheme" with Wabash flag and MP buzzsaw hearlds in
addition to the ART shield. This is a limited run of 300 kits and 300 assembled
cars. The assembled cars are available in five numbers. The kits are
unnumbered but decals will be included so you can add your own numbers and reweigh
date/location. The cars represent the 32000 series with Preco fans and the
33000 series with Equipco fans. If interested, please check out our website
(_www.amarillorailmuseum.com_ (http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com/) ) for the
new cars, or our e-Bay listing for the older run in the 22000 series. If you
have any questions, please e-mail me off list at _asychis@...
(mailto:asychis@...) . I have to mention that our website is in a sort of shambles
due to an inept webmaster who has seemed to have gone AWOL. We have five
numbers, not eight. The price is $18.95 for kits and $29.95 for assembled cars.
The decals for the kits have been delayed until after 1/1/09, but we'll send
them to you under separate cover at no additional cost for those buying
kits. If you want decals for the assembled cars (i.e. you want to change the
numbers on these cars), the cost for a set of decals is $2.00.
Thanks,
Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum
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asychis@...
Hi Guys,
The Amarillo Railroad Museum and the Missouri Pacific Historical Society
have a joint venture to offer ART steel reefers custom made by InterMountain.
As you might know, we've had the as-delivered paint scheme avaialbe for some
time and that run is almost sold out. We have just brought in the second run
which is the "classic scheme" with Wabash flag and MP buzzsaw hearlds in
addition to the ART shield. This is a limited run of 300 kits and 300 assembled
cars. The assembled cars are available in five numbers. The kits are
unnumbered but decals will be included so you can add your own numbers and reweigh
date/location. The cars represent the 32000 series with Preco fans and the
33000 series with Equipco fans. If interested, please check out our website
(_www.amarillorailmuseum.com_ (http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com/) ) for the
new cars, or our e-Bay listing for the older run in the 22000 series. If you
have any questions, please e-mail me off list at _asychis@...
(mailto:asychis@...) . I have to mention that our website is in a sort of shambles
due to an inept webmaster who has seemed to have gone AWOL. We have five
numbers, not eight. The price is $18.95 for kits and $29.95 for assembled cars.
The decals for the kits have been delayed until after 1/1/09, but we'll send
them to you under separate cover at no additional cost for those buying
kits. If you want decals for the assembled cars (i.e. you want to change the
numbers on these cars), the cost for a set of decals is $2.00.
Thanks,
Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum
**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,
Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=a
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The Amarillo Railroad Museum and the Missouri Pacific Historical Society
have a joint venture to offer ART steel reefers custom made by InterMountain.
As you might know, we've had the as-delivered paint scheme avaialbe for some
time and that run is almost sold out. We have just brought in the second run
which is the "classic scheme" with Wabash flag and MP buzzsaw hearlds in
addition to the ART shield. This is a limited run of 300 kits and 300 assembled
cars. The assembled cars are available in five numbers. The kits are
unnumbered but decals will be included so you can add your own numbers and reweigh
date/location. The cars represent the 32000 series with Preco fans and the
33000 series with Equipco fans. If interested, please check out our website
(_www.amarillorailmuseum.com_ (http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com/) ) for the
new cars, or our e-Bay listing for the older run in the 22000 series. If you
have any questions, please e-mail me off list at _asychis@...
(mailto:asychis@...) . I have to mention that our website is in a sort of shambles
due to an inept webmaster who has seemed to have gone AWOL. We have five
numbers, not eight. The price is $18.95 for kits and $29.95 for assembled cars.
The decals for the kits have been delayed until after 1/1/09, but we'll send
them to you under separate cover at no additional cost for those buying
kits. If you want decals for the assembled cars (i.e. you want to change the
numbers on these cars), the cost for a set of decals is $2.00.
Thanks,
Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum
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