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Model Rail Hobbyist
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
All I can say is that whoever is responsible for format has a funny idea of serving the public. Usually to make Web material ACCESSIBLE, one uses the OLDEST feasible software, to serve as many prospective users as possible, not the NEWEST software, so as to exclude the MOST prospective users. Using Adobe Reader 9 fits that definition neatly. Well done, guys.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Bernd Schroeder
well, maybe the intention was "Model Railroader for Computer Geeks"
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Bernd
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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:59 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Model Rail Hobbyist All I can say is that whoever is responsible for format has a funny idea of serving the public. Usually to make Web material ACCESSIBLE, one uses the OLDEST feasible software, to serve as many prospective users as possible, not the NEWEST software, so as to exclude the MOST prospective users. Using Adobe Reader 9 fits that definition neatly. Well done, guys.
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Schuyler Larrabee
Not quite sure what you're grousing about, Tony. I mean, Adobe Reader 9 is free, easily available,
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and an improvement over its predecessor versions. Sure, newest software is not ALWAYS better, (see Vista) but in this case, it is better. So, download a free program so you can see this well? Where is the problem? A serious question, not a flame. SGL
All I can say is that whoever is responsible for format has a
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Jon Miller <atsf@...>
I mean, Adobe Reader 9 is free, easily available,and an improvement over its predecessor versions< Will it run on a ten year old computer. Also some of use still use land line. Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Stokes John
Surely you don't think that most of the intelligent and resourceful modelers on the list are not capable of reading a couple of well written prompts and clicking on a few buttons to allow Adobe to download the new and improved reader for free? Come on, save the "I'm illiterate in computers" stuff for real issues. Try it, you will like it, and its FREE and once you have done it you won't have to do another thing to get the benefits. What a deal. As a bonus, you will have the latest Adobe Reader installed which you will use on countless other downloads.
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John Stokes Bellevue, WA To: STMFC@... From: schroed2.bears@... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:56:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Model Rail Hobbyist well, maybe the intention was "Model Railroader for Computer Geeks" Bernd
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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:59 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Model Rail Hobbyist All I can say is that whoever is responsible for format has a funny idea of serving the public. Usually to make Web material ACCESSIBLE, one uses the OLDEST feasible software, to serve as many prospective users as possible, not the NEWEST software, so as to exclude the MOST prospective users. Using Adobe Reader 9 fits that definition neatly. Well done, guys.
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Stokes John
Your concern is understandable, but this upgrade should work for you as well, it will just take longer. Most programs out there already require Adobe 8.1, and while it is great that time stopped in 1941, that is not the reality for most of us and having the most effective tools to use is a benefit. If we kept everything held back for those who have not upgraded to a 21st Century system, we would simply not be able to enjoy the richness of current internet offerings and research and communication tools.
What does this have to do with STMFC anyway? Far too much band width spent on this tangent, but I may be wrong. John S. To: STMFC@... From: atsf@... Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:32:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Model Rail Hobbyist >I mean, Adobe Reader 9 is free, easily available, and an improvement over its predecessor versions< Will it run on a ten year old computer. Also some of use still use land line. Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Not quite sure what you're grousing about, Tony. I mean, Adobe Reader 9 is free, easily available, and an improvement over its predecessor versions.I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so, but it won't work with Mac OS 10.4.10 (latest one I have). This means (at least for Mac users) that only the newest OS can run the reader that handles MRH. That's what I mean by NOT reaching an awful lot of the public, which I think is a funny way to do a magazine. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Richard Hendrickson
On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so, I have had exactly the same experience as Tony. And I'm running the earlier Mac operating system because I have many files in earlier applications which won't run on the latest OS. So, while MRH seems like a good idea, I can't access it, and I've already spent a fair amount of time (when I could have been writing text for a book or working on a model) trying unsuccessfully to do so. Yeah, I know, print is SO twentieth century, but an internet publication that some of us can't access seems needlessly stupid. Richard Hendrickson
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Guys
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I think MRH is a very promising information format. Perhaps Acrobat was not the best choice (HTML would have worked too) but perhaps they will respond and correct these problems as they are made aware of them. Acrobat offers a "self contained" format unlike HTML which is a pastiche of objects and somewhat problematic when it comes to portability. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Tim O'Connor
At 1/19/2009 12:04 PM Monday, you wrote:
On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so,I have had exactly the same experience as Tony. And I'm running the
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Paul <buygone@...>
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Like Tony and Richard I tried to download no luck so I've scratched it off my list of things to do. If they want me to look at it they had better make it easy for me not them Paul C. Koehler _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:00 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Model Rail Hobbyist Guys I think MRH is a very promising information format. Perhaps Acrobat was not the best choice (HTML would have worked too) but perhaps they will respond and correct these problems as they are made aware of them. Acrobat offers a "self contained" format unlike HTML which is a pastiche of objects and somewhat problematic when it comes to portability. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Tim O'Connor
At 1/19/2009 12:04 PM Monday, you wrote:
On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so,I have had exactly the same experience as Tony. And I'm running the
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
I think MRH is a very promising information format. Perhaps Acrobat was not the best choice . . .If they had used, say, Acrobat 5.0, I bet they would not be hearing what they're hearing. If you look at Signature Press's website, you will see lots of simplified and even clunky graphics--we have deliberately avoided flashy "features" and enhancements like frames just so that even those with older browsers can successfully view the pages. Obviously the MRH approach is the diametric opposite. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Don Burn
Yes I for one stick with the older versions of Acrobat. I do work in the anti-virus / anti-malware area and the latest Acrobat and Flash in general are considered to be the biggest atack vector for computers right now in the protection industry. The comments my colleagues make are, if you want to secure your computers step 1, roll back to an old acrobat reader and eliminate flash.
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Don Burn
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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Model Rail Hobbyist Tim O'Connor wrote:I think MRH is a very promising information format. Perhaps AcrobatIf they had used, say, Acrobat 5.0, I bet they would not be
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On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:It works fine on OSX 10.4.11, as that's what I'm running right now.Not quite sure what you're grousing about, Tony. I mean, Adobe ReaderI don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so, Acrobat Pro version 8.0.0 doesn't work, though. -- "I think we are pole vaulting over mouse manure here" Stolen from a private mailing list
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On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
I have had exactly the same experience as Tony.Adobe reader 9 works fine with OSX 10.4.11; perform a software update of Tiger rather than an upgrade to Leopard -- "I think we are pole vaulting over mouse manure here" Stolen from a private mailing list
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Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
I am running all the latest Adobe programs on the latest MAC OS but
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it took some help from Adobe technical support to get them loaded. Roger Hinman
On Jan 19, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:I don't mind downloading Adobe Reader 9, in fact I've done so,means
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Richard Hendrickson
On Jan 19, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Nolan Hinshaw wrote:
On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:I have had exactly the same experience as Tony.Adobe reader 9 works fine with OSX 10.4.11; perform a software And why should I have to do this? I don't need it for anything else but MRH. I've already spent more time trying to access MRH than I suspect it's worth.
Feels like wading ankle deep in horse**** to me. Richard Hendrickson
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Nolan Hinshaw wrote:
Adobe reader 9 works fine with OSX 10.4.11; perform a software update of Tiger rather than an upgrade to LeopardHELLO . . . OS 10.4 actually IS Tiger, and the latest version that exists for PowerPC Macs is 10.4.11, which is what I have. Reader 9 may WORK with this OS, but it cannot open MRH in this OS. One of these days no doubt I'll upgrade to Leopard, and won't miss MRH in the meantime. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Rod Miller
My iMac runs 10.1.11 and there was no issue in
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downloading or viewing MRH. I had to download Acrobat Reader, and then everything went smoothly. I was quite surprised. Maybe there are functional differences between the PowerPC Mac OS and the Intel Mac OS even though the version is the same. Rod Anthony Thompson wrote:
Nolan Hinshaw wrote:Adobe reader 9 works fine with OSX 10.4.11; perform a software update of Tiger rather than an upgrade to LeopardHELLO . . . OS 10.4 actually IS Tiger, and the latest version that exists for PowerPC Macs is 10.4.11, which is what I have. Reader 9 may WORK with this OS, but it cannot open MRH in this OS. One of these days no doubt I'll upgrade to Leopard, and won't miss MRH in the meantime.
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