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Back in June of 2007 there was a flurry of messages surrounding the possibility of a quality model of one or more phases of helium cars along with separate decals. Jay Miller did a terrific presentation on the industry at Naperville and the ATSF meet.
Since then, it has been quiet. Has anyone heard of any progress on this front? Thanks in advance. Steve Hile |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Steve Hile wrote:
Back in June of 2007 there was a flurry of messages surrounding the possibility of a quality model of one or more phases of helium cars along with separate decals. Jay Miller did a terrific presentation on the industry at Naperville and the ATSF meet.Those of us in the West are eagerly waiting for the opportunity to run unit trains of these cars . . . <g> Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
Those of us on the FAR West Coast have the luxury of knowing that the helium cars did run regularly (albeit not in large numbers) out to the military and aerospace installations in California.
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FWIW... NAS Moffett Field and Edwards AFB were known destinations... as well as industrial gas supply houses serving the aerospace industries. ...and who makes the clasp-brake trucks??? -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA -------------------- At 08:18 PM 2/11/2009, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Steve Hile wrote:Back in June of 2007 there was a flurry of messages surrounding theThose of us in the West are eagerly waiting for the opportunity |
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Just a a note, they also ran on the Coast route to Vandenberg AFB. I saw many there.
Jim Scott Lompoc, CA ________________________________ From: Richard Brennan <brennan8@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Helium Cars Those of us on the FAR West Coast have the luxury of knowing that the helium cars did run regularly (albeit not in large numbers) out to the military and aerospace installations in California. FWIW... NAS Moffett Field and Edwards AFB were known destinations. .. as well as industrial gas supply houses serving the aerospace industries. ...and who makes the clasp-brake trucks??? ------------ -------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA ------------ -------- At 08:18 PM 2/11/2009, Anthony Thompson wrote: Steve Hile wrote:Back in June of 2007 there was a flurry of messages surrounding theThose of us in the West are eagerly waiting for the opportunity |
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Rod Miller
This car was imported in O and HO by Pecos River Brass
(now OOB). See http://www.shopwiki.com/detail/d=HO_PRB_US_Navy_Helium_Car/ I have no connection with shopwiki... Rod CalifCoast wrote: Just a a note, they also ran on the Coast route to VandenbergAFB. I saw many there. Jim Scott |
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Steve SANDIFER
The last word I heard, Speedwich was going to offer these once the masters were made. Jay Miller was spearheading the project and had a quality clinic about them at the Santa Fe convention in 2007. Pecos River, AHM, and Ambroid all produced HO models. Speedwich will be doing the resin version which will probably be the most authentic of the bunch.
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From: Rod Miller To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Helium Cars This car was imported in O and HO by Pecos River Brass (now OOB). See http://www.shopwiki.com/detail/d=HO_PRB_US_Navy_Helium_Car/ I have no connection with shopwiki... Rod CalifCoast wrote: > Just a a note, they also ran on the Coast route to Vandenberg AFB. I saw many there. > > Jim Scott > Lompoc, CA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Brennan <brennan8@...> > To: STMFC@... > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43:10 PM > Subject: Re: [STMFC] Helium Cars > > > Those of us on the FAR West Coast have the luxury of knowing that the > helium cars did run regularly (albeit not in large numbers) out to > the military and aerospace installations in California. > > FWIW... NAS Moffett Field and Edwards AFB were known destinations. .. > as well as industrial gas supply houses serving the aerospace industries. > > ...and who makes the clasp-brake trucks??? > > ------------ -------- > Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA > ------------ -------- > > At 08:18 PM 2/11/2009, Anthony Thompson wrote: >> Steve Hile wrote: >>> Back in June of 2007 there was a flurry of messages surrounding the >>> possibility of a quality model of one or more phases of helium cars >>> along with separate decals. Jay Miller did a terrific presentation on >>> the industry at Naperville and the ATSF meet. >>> >>> Since then, it has been quiet. Has anyone heard of any progress on >>> this front? >> Those of us in the West are eagerly waiting for the opportunity >> to run unit trains of these cars . . . <g> >> >> Tony Thompson |
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On Thu, February 12, 2009 12:34 pm, Rod Miller wrote:
This car was imported in O and HO by Pecos River BrassRod, No offense to you or the person selling this car, but the Pecos River car is just AWFUL! A close look will show you that the tanks are a single stamping. Heck, the Ambroid car looks better! Amongst those few of us who really care and see a need for this car, it seems clear that a new resin car is really the right way to go with this... Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL |
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Rod Miller
Bruce, thanks for the info on the HO PRB car.
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I have the O scale PRB car. The tanks on it are separate pieces, and IMHO it is a nice model. Very heavy BTW which I attribute to all those separate tanks. Rod Bruce Smith wrote: On Thu, February 12, 2009 12:34 pm, Rod Miller wrote:This car was imported in O and HO by Pecos River BrassRod, |
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Well If you're interested I have a photo of one of the first types of
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helium cars. Attached to this email. Sincerely, Rich Yoder 7 Edgedale Court Wyomissing PA 19610-1913 610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM www.richyodermodels.com -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Rod Miller Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Helium Cars Bruce, thanks for the info on the HO PRB car. I have the O scale PRB car. The tanks on it are separate pieces, and IMHO it is a nice model. Very heavy BTW which I attribute to all those separate tanks. Rod Bruce Smith wrote: On Thu, February 12, 2009 12:34 pm, Rod Miller wrote:carThis car was imported in O and HO by Pecos River BrassRod, is just AWFUL! A close look will show you that the tanks are a singleus who really care and see a need for this car, it seems clear that a new ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Rod Miller wrote:
Bruce, thanks for the info on the HO PRB car. I've seen both the O and HO scale PRB models. Bruce is correct that the HO scale version is awful, and Rob is correct that the O scale model is vastly better. The fact that John Smith of PRB was/is an O scale modeler may help to explain this disparity. Richard Hendrickson |
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earlyrail
An other destination would be Navy Shipyards that built/pverhauled nuclear submarines.
Mare Island, Charleston,Portsmouth plus Electric Boat to name the ones I am familiar with Howard Garner (x-sub guy) |
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spsalso
Still another destination for these cars was a building on West Grand
Avenue in Oakland CA. I used to see these cars spotted there all the time. There was at least one that was "permanently" there for He storage. All gone, though. Sniff!!! Edward Sutorik |
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But if -every- tube is represented on the model, it must
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weigh a ton!! Last night I weighed a Jaeger products poles load (60 short sticks) and they weigh 2oz. Imagine if all those sticks were made of brass... Tim O'Connor I've seen both the O and HO scale PRB models. Bruce is correct that |
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On Fri, February 13, 2009 4:34 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
But if -every- tube is represented on the model, it must Tim, You've got to "lighten up" man! Obviously, you fill them with HELIUM <VBG>. Seriously though, you would use TUBING not SOLID ROD... That would result in a nicely weighted car. Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL |
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Rod Miller
My O scale PRB helium car weighs 2 lb. 13 oz. 30 discrete
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tanks have been modeled; whether the tank models are tubes or sold rod is unknown. At the time the models were imported there was some banter about a loaded real car weighing less than an empty car, which of course we know is not correct. Rod Bruce Smith wrote: On Fri, February 13, 2009 4:34 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:But if -every- tube is represented on the model, it mustTim, |
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That's about the equivalent of 7.5oz for an HO model -
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less than many HO brass models. But in O scale I imagine those are indeed tubes, and the brass walls, roof and floor are closer to scale than they would be in HO. So an HO brass model probably would come in closer to 12oz or more. Tim At 2/13/2009 06:08 PM Friday, you wrote:
My O scale PRB helium car weighs 2 lb. 13 oz. 30 discrete |
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I don't know if it has been mentioned, but the capacity of the prototype is 200,000 lbs! Most cars were built with special heavier duty trucks, both friction bearing and in the sixties roller bearing. All were retired by 1998+/-. I have more prototype data if anyone is interested.
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RIch C --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Helium Cars To: STMFC@... Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:21 PM That's about the equivalent of 7.5oz for an HO model - less than many HO brass models. But in O scale I imagine those are indeed tubes, and the brass walls, roof and floor are closer to scale than they would be in HO. So an HO brass model probably would come in closer to 12oz or more. Tim At 2/13/2009 06:08 PM Friday, you wrote: My O scale PRB helium car weighs 2 lb. 13 oz. 30 discrete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Charles Dean
Rich,
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I photographed a few of these helium cars passing through my town on the Norfolk Southern a few years ago. What prototype info do you have that you can share? Best regards, Charlie Charles Dean Shelbyville, Kentucky ----- Original Message -----
From: Rich C To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Helium Cars I don't know if it has been mentioned, but the capacity of the prototype is 200,000 lbs! Most cars were built with special heavier duty trucks, both friction bearing and in the sixties roller bearing. All were retired by 1998+/-. I have more prototype data if anyone is interested. RIch C --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Helium Cars To: STMFC@... Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:21 PM That's about the equivalent of 7.5oz for an HO model - less than many HO brass models. But in O scale I imagine those are indeed tubes, and the brass walls, roof and floor are closer to scale than they would be in HO. So an HO brass model probably would come in closer to 12oz or more. Tim At 2/13/2009 06:08 PM Friday, you wrote: >My O scale PRB helium car weighs 2 lb. 13 oz. 30 discrete >tanks have been modeled; whether the tank models are tubes or >sold rod is unknown. > >At the time the models were imported there was some banter >about a loaded real car weighing less than an empty car, which >of course we know is not correct. > >Rod > >Bruce Smith wrote: >> On Fri, February 13, 2009 4:34 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote: >>> But if -every- tube is represented on the model, it must >>> weigh a ton!! Last night I weighed a Jaeger products poles >>> load (60 short sticks) and they weigh 2oz. Imagine if all >>> those sticks were made of brass... >>> >>> Tim O'Connor >> >> >> Tim, >> >> You've got to "lighten up" man! Obviously, you fill them with HELIUM >> <VBG>. Seriously though, you would use TUBING not SOLID ROD... That >> would result in a nicely weighted car. >> >> Regards >> Bruce Smith >> Auburn, AL |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Rich C (don't know his last name) wrote:
I don't know if it has been mentioned, but the capacity of the prototype is 200,000 lbs! Most cars were built with special heavier duty trucks, both friction bearing and in the sixties roller bearing. All were retired by 1998+/-.Glad you said "+", since I saw several of them on the siding at Cape Canaveral in 2006. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
bearing. I photographed MAHX 1301 and 1047 at Oro Grande, NM on a US Army sidingAll were retired by 1998+/-.Glad you said "+", since I saw several of them on the siding at adjacent to White Sands Missile Range in June 1982 and MAHX 1211-A & 1211-B at Rincon, New Mexico on the Santa Fe in December 1989. The car numbers 1211-A & 1211-B suggest a permanently couple pair of cars but I don't recall ever checking that while I was there. Gene Green |
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