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Mark
Excellent points, Gene.
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Lets hope something new comes out of this. Sincerely, Mark Morgan
--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Gene Green <bierglaeser@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Gene Green <bierglaeser@yahoo.com> Subject: [STMFC] Single-sheathed box cars To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 10:59 AM We have the Tichy versions of the USRA single-sheathed box cars and the Intermountain war-emergency box car is coming. Putting aside the highly detail resin kits from Westerfield, F&C, Sunshine, et. al. what else is there? I can't think of anything. I know that in the past there have been single-sheathed box cars from a number of manufacturers - Varney, Ulrich, Roundhouse - but those cars don't live up to today's expections in either level of detail or fidelity to prototype. As my freight car fleet develops I have the general impression that my box car mix has too few single-sheathed cars. This is just a subjective impression unrelated to any numbers, percentages or the Landmesser hot box list. Will the wonderful RP CYC #18 result in any plastic, injection-molded box car models? Gene Green [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I know that in the past there have been single-sheathed box cars from aGene Several of the Model Die Casting/Roundhouse 50 foot single sheathed cars are completely accurate, albeit with cast-on details -- owners MP, T&P, WP, and many others. Richard Hendrickson wrote a fine article in Railmodel Journal, July 1996, with lots of photos. And don't forget Accurail's wonderful Illinois Central single sheathed box car. I picked up a decorated model from 5th Avenue Car Shops that is 100% accurate. Or the Proto 2000 Mather box car (which represents the lower height version of the Mather car). Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. One way ticket to Foobie-ville. Or you could pay me wads of money to custom build resin single sheathed box cars for you. :-) Tim O' As my freight car fleet develops I have the general impression that my
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Michael Aufderheide
Gene,
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Another car is the Life Like of Canada CP dominion boxcar. I don't know how available these are. Regards, Mike Aufderheide
--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Single-sheathed box cars To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 10:30 AM I know that in the past there have been single-sheathed box cars from aGene Several of the Model Die Casting/Roundhouse 50 foot single sheathed cars are completely accurate, albeit with cast-on details -- owners MP, T&P, WP, and many others. Richard Hendrickson wrote a fine article in Railmodel Journal, July 1996, with lots of photos. And don't forget Accurail's wonderful Illinois Central single sheathed box car. I picked up a decorated model from 5th Avenue Car Shops that is 100% accurate. Or the Proto 2000 Mather box car (which represents the lower height version of the Mather car). Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. One way ticket to Foobie-ville. Or you could pay me wads of money to custom build resin single sheathed box cars for you. :-) Tim O' As my freight car fleet develops I have the general impression that my [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
GeneTim and Gene: Good point on the Accurail Tim and don't forget the other Accurail SS boxcars too. The nine panel car has wood ends or Murphy ends, wood doors or steel and there's also the seven panel cars with 3-3-3 Dreadnaught ends or wooden ends. Stephan Parachuk Toronto
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William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
In addition, there is the True Line Trains 36' Fowler boxcar which I
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understand is due to be released fairly soon, although I am unable to find much information on the TLT website. William Bryk
On 2/24/09, sparachuk <sparachuk@hotmail.com> wrote:
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William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
In addition, there is the True Line Trains 36' Fowler boxcar which I
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understand is due to be released fairly soon, although I am unable to find much information on the TLT website. William Bryk
On 2/24/09, sparachuk <sparachuk@hotmail.com> wrote:
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golden1014
Hey Gene,
Don't forget Al Westerfield, big guy. Lot's of offerings there. John John Golden Bloomington, IN --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote: the Intermountain war-emergency box car is coming. Putting aside thewhat else is there? I can't think of anything.from a number of manufacturers - Varney, Ulrich, Roundhouse - but thosecars don't live up to today's expections in either level of detail ormy box car mix has too few single-sheathed cars. This is just amolded box car models?
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Marty McGuirk
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Mark Morgan <bnonut@...> wrote:
Well, I do remember what other file folders were in the cabinet at Intermountain - essentially my "collection of possible candidates." It's been interesting to see some come to fruition. . . . so hope, as they say, springs eternal. Marty McGuirk
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
John Golden wrote:
Hey Gene,apparently having failed to notice what Gene actually said: Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CAPutting aside the highly detail resin kits from Westerfield, F&C, Sunshine, et. al. what 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Ray Breyer
Hi Tim,
Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the fishbelly underframe is essentially 100% wrong for the IC cars. Still, if you need more than one for your IC roster (like I do!) it's a whole lot more affordable and quick than the Sunshine version of the same car.Tim O'Connor wrote: Again, unless you need IC cars. Then the Walthers model, with minimal kitbashing, becomes the only accurate IC 50' SS boxcar ever produced.Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. One way ticket to Foobie-ville. Just a couple of tips, Ray Breyer
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Ray Breyer
Hi Tim,
Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the fishbelly underframe is essentially 100% wrong for the IC cars. Still, if you need more than one for your IC roster (like I do!) it's a whole lot more affordable and quick than the Sunshine version of the same car.Tim O'Connor wrote: Again, unless you need IC cars. Then the Walthers model, with minimal kitbashing, becomes the only accurate IC 50' SS boxcar ever produced.Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. One way ticket to Foobie-ville. Just a couple of tips, Ray Breyer
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Ray Breyer wrote
Why is the uf wrong? My shot of IC 16719 shows a fishbelly.Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the And yes, the proto ends are 3/5 while the model is 4/4 but... perhaps Dennis followed an atypical prototype car? I mean why would he deliberately make it incorrectly? I'd love to see a photo of that IC 50' car.Again, unless you need IC cars.Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. Tim O'Connor
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ya know what they say: If you have to ask...
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Or you could pay me wads of money to custom build resinPlease define "wad." (VBG)
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Glen Mills <mills.glen@...>
Hello,
Can we have a catalogue No. for the Accurail IC single sheathed box car, please. Regards, Glen Mills Re: Single-sheathed box cars Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" timboconnor@comcast.net cf5250 Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:30 am (PST) Gene And don't forget Accurail's wonderful Illinois Central single sheathed box car. I picked up a decorated model from 5th Avenue Car Shops that is 100% accurate. Tim O'
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Jeffrey White
The 7100 series is the closest to the IC cars.
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Ray Breyer
Right. Accurail has a part number for the IC cars (7116) but they haven't been made yet, most likely because 5th Avenue is still sitting on a bunch of them.
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http://www.5thavenuecarshops.com/ 5th Ave doesn't use "part numbers", so you'll just have to mail 'em an order form and see what happens! Ray Breyer
--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@midwest.net> wrote:
From: Jeffrey White <jrwhite@midwest.net> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Single-sheathed box cars To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 5:28 PM The 7100 series is the closest to the IC cars. Jeff White Glen Mills wrote:
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Ray Breyer
Hi Gene,Gene Green wrote:Can you be more specific? Should I be looking for Accurail's 4100And don't forget Accurail's wonderful Illinois Central All of the Accurail SS cars are a prototype of "something", or at least can be made into an "85% good" stand in (which is good enough for most of us!). It's all a matter of what you can find that's close. For example, I use the Accurail 7100s for both IC and Milwaukee SS cars. They're closest to IC, but if you ignore the lack of a lumber door on the A end and change the underframe, they're a pretty good stand-in that costs 1/4 of a Sunshine car (which is important when you've got a big family and a small hobby budget!). IIRC, there was an email on this list about six months ago that listed all of the closest prototypes to Accurail models. You might want to find that as a starting point. Regards, Ray Breyer
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Ray Breyer
Tim O'Connor wrote:Ray Breyer wrote Why is the uf wrong? My shot of IC 16719 shows a fishbelly.I'm not going to put words in Dennis' mouth, but I don't think it was a malicious error; he probably used as much existing tooling as possible to come up with a six panel SS car that was as close to a prototype as he could find. As for the underframe, I've got that same photo: look at the crossmembers; they're virtually nonexistent on the Accurail model. Ant to be completely prototypical you'll have to add the braces at the top and bottom corners of the sides. Please note that I'm NOT picking on these cars; I love 'em and plan on adding many more to my roster. But we ARE talking proto vs. a specific model here! Again, unless you need IC cars.Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. I'd love to see a photo of that IC 50' car.I'll have to get back to you on that one. Ted Richardson clued me into the match, and I have to dig up that email. IIRC it wasn't a large group of cars (150 maybe) but it's as close as any model gets. Chet French just told me that the ONLY truly accurate IC SS box ever made is the Sunshine car; the F&C car, the next closest and representative of the single largest group of late steam era IC SS cars, is too narrow by 6 or 8 inches. Great... Regards, Ray Breyer
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Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Gene Green wrote:
We have the Tichy versions of the USRA single-sheathed box cars and [snip] As my freight car fleet develops I have the general impression that my Others have pointed out that there are a few more accurate single sheathed box car models in HO scale than Gene suggests. However, his point remains true that, aside from resin kits, there aren't enough to accurately represent the typical mix of box cars in a steam era freight car fleet. One reason, of course, is that, apart from the USRA box cars, there was so little standardization of design in the teens and '20s. Even the ARA "standard" single sheathed box car was built with so many different heights, ends, roofs, underframes, etc. that kit/RTR manufacturers can't find a single version which can be accurately modeled for more than one or two prototype railroads. It's not that the manufacturers have overlooked all those single sheathed prototypes but that they haven't been able to figure out how to develop models that will sell in large enough numbers to cover their tooling costs, never mind turning a modest profit. While those of us who have the time and skills to build resin kits now have a lot of options, there's no solution in sight for modelers who don't. Richard Hendrickson
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Jeffrey White
They could include different ends and roofs in the kit. Branchline does this now in their undecorated Blueprint kits. You might even be able to solve the height problem with the different roofs.
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I don't know what the tooling would cost, but I think a SS kit that gave you the option of building one of 3 or 4 different prototypes would sell at least as well as the undecorated Branchline Kits. Perhaps the market which seems to be RTR oriented wouldn't support it, but I think it could be done. Jeff White Richard Hendrickson wrote:
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