Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957


Rob Erickson <pattirobpatti@...>
 

Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

ACL 56063 O-?

A&D 2011

ATSF 5763
ATSF 9166
ATSF 32527
ATSF 52056
ATSF 164240

CGW 910
CGW 4820

CMO 5011
CMO 5031

CNW 1927
CNW 3269
CNW 3318
CNW 46251
CNW 68850
CNW 151244

DC ? 29575 (listed as a reefer)

DSR ? 11177 (listed as a boxcar)

GCX 1501

GM&O 86592

GN 53582
GN 53996
GN 58298
GN 58663

GTW 146134

LBAX ? 3826 (listed as a reefer)

LS&BC 1001

MILW 36056
MILW 47283
MILW 49418
MILW 87108
MILW 89651
MILW 109651

MKT 91321

MP 10329
MP 25894

N&W 83144 HM H-?
N&W 83472 HM H-?
N&W 83677 HM H-?
N&W 83723 HM H-?

RI 174

SFRD 2034
SFRD 2096
SFRD 3177

SLSF 60265

SOO 17473

SP&S X-98 TM

SR 4720
SR 60533
SR 69293

TCC ? 51089 (listed as a boxcar)

T&P 103
T&P 30348

USAX 16415 TM

VGN 30401

WFEX 827

Any assistance in identifying these cars and possible HO scale candidates to model them would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Rob Erickson
(hoping to get this dang OCD about these consist lists under control)


Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hello Rob,

I can help with the Santa Fes.

ATSF 5763, Fe-13 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (steel, rebuilt 1937)
ATSF 9166, Fe-28 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (1948)
ATSF 32527, Bx-13 40-foot boxcar (single sheathed, 1931)
ATSF 52056, Sk-L 40-foot stock car (single deck, 1910, only 92 of this series left in '56!)
ATSF 164240, Ga-103 65-foot mill gondola (1958)

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

GN 53582 and 53996 are 1925 vintage 36' stock cars, no HO scale model available yet. The 58663 is very similar, built 1926.

GN 58298 is a Pullman stock car built 1922, 36'10 IL. No HO model available.

Staffan Ehnbom

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Subject: [STMFC] Need information about several freight cars, circa Nov 1955-Sept 1957


Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

ACL 56063 O-?

A&D 2011

ATSF 5763
ATSF 9166
ATSF 32527
ATSF 52056
ATSF 164240

CGW 910
CGW 4820

CMO 5011
CMO 5031

CNW 1927
CNW 3269
CNW 3318
CNW 46251
CNW 68850
CNW 151244

DC ? 29575 (listed as a reefer)

DSR ? 11177 (listed as a boxcar)

GCX 1501

GM&O 86592

GN 53582
GN 53996
GN 58298
GN 58663

GTW 146134

LBAX ? 3826 (listed as a reefer)

LS&BC 1001

MILW 36056
MILW 47283
MILW 49418
MILW 87108
MILW 89651
MILW 109651

MKT 91321

MP 10329
MP 25894

N&W 83144 HM H-?
N&W 83472 HM H-?
N&W 83677 HM H-?
N&W 83723 HM H-?

RI 174

SFRD 2034
SFRD 2096
SFRD 3177

SLSF 60265

SOO 17473

SP&S X-98 TM

SR 4720
SR 60533
SR 69293

TCC ? 51089 (listed as a boxcar)

T&P 103
T&P 30348

USAX 16415 TM

VGN 30401

WFEX 827

Any assistance in identifying these cars and possible HO scale candidates to model them would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Rob Erickson
(hoping to get this dang OCD about these consist lists under control)





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Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Andy Sperandeo wrote:
Hello Rob,

I can help with the Santa Fes.

ATSF 5763, Fe-13 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (steel,
rebuilt 1937)
ATSF 9166, Fe-28 50-foot automobile & furniture boxcar (1948)
ATSF 32527, Bx-13 40-foot boxcar (single sheathed, 1931)
ATSF 52056, Sk-L 40-foot stock car (single deck, 1910, only 92 of
this series left in '56!)
ATSF 164240, Ga-103 65-foot mill gondola (1958)












Andy's post beat me to the draw here, but I will add that ATSF 32527,
though it was indeed a Bx-13 class box car, wasn't single sheathed by
the late 1950s. In the early 1950s, all of the surviving Bx-13s were
rebuilt with AAR-design all steel bodies and diagonal panel roofs,
using their original ends, underframes and trucks. They were then
renumbered into the 32500-33484 series.


Richard Hendrickson


Ian Cranstone
 

On 3-Apr-09, at 11:20 AM, Rob Erickson wrote:
Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

GTW 146134
50'6" steel mill gondola built by General American in 3/1954. It looks very close to my recollection of the Con-Cor gondola.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Erickson" <pattirobpatti@...> wrote:

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:


SOO 17473
I believe you have a typo / missing digit here.

SOO 17000 - 17998 were 34' 4" sixty ton cars built sometime around 1900. I doubt any were still in service in the fifties. However, this series was even numbers only, so that's not it.

There is no 174000 series, so it doesn't appear to be a missing last digit.

There is no 17400 series using the odd numbers; the Soo had a lot of odd only and even only number series, but if the used one, they didn't use the other in the same number series.

Soo did have a series of 50 ton steel gondolas numbered 7001 - 7499 odd numbers only. These were built in 1923 and must have originally been composit cars. 178 cars were still on the roster 1-1-62. Could the number have been 7473?

Dennis


Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Thanks for the correction, Richard. I often get fuzzy about that "futuristic" stuff beyond my 1947 event horizon. - Andy


Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...> wrote:

SOO 17000 - 17998 were 34' 4" sixty ton cars built sometime around 1900. I doubt any were still in service in the fifties. However, this series was even numbers only, so that's not it.
Drat! I meant 30 ton, 60,000 pounds capacity.

Dennis


Ed Hawkins
 

Eric, I can help on a few. I believe several numbers have been
incorrectly identified.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Rob Erickson wrote:

Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a
conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the
Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through
September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

GM&O 86592
No such number. Possibly 80592. If so, a 1958 cu. ft. covered hopper
built ACF 1950, lot 3460

MKT 91321
40' box series 91001-91500, ACF 6-50, lot 3459 (ACF 4-4 proprietary
ends)

MP 10329
No such number during this time period.

MP 25894
No such number during this time period.

T&P 103
No such number during this time period.

T&P 30348
Originally a single-sheathed auto car built Pressed Steel 10-29 from
series 61000-61524, rebuilt between 1942-1953 with steel sheathing and
single doors with 6' wide openings and renumbered 30000-30632.


Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...> wrote:

SOO 17473
I believe you have a typo / missing digit here.

Further, it might be worth noting that the Soo commonly didn't use their assigned reporting mark on cars until the eighties. Prior to that, they used their name; to quote the 1/58 ORER, "The freight cars of this company are marked "M.St.P.& S.S.M.R.R.Co." and "Soo Line"..." So, it's entirely possible that whoever made the list abbreviated it SOO L or Soo l, which would be where the extra diget one came from.

I bet it's Soo Line 7473. It would have been a 40' gon with a spiral end, IIRC.

Dennis


Tim O'Connor
 

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:
ACL 56063 O-?
Definitely a 40' double door car, 10'4"IH, 80k capacity.
My guess: a rebuilt car but I have no photo or other data
other than a partial shot of a rebuilt car but no number
can be seen.

A&D 2011
I have two photos of rebuilt A&D box cars (2148,2247) but not
from this series (2001-2035). Again I guess it's a rebuilt car,
10'0"IH and 80k cap.

CGW 910
A "modern" 50' double door box car, built in 1956. Photos in the
Morning Sun CGW Color Guide. Model with Branchline's kit, but
the photos are not the original paint scheme.

CGW 4820
Definitely one of the "1930 ARA" cars, indicated by 8'7"IH and
other dimensions. In 1959 all of these cars (4800-4894) were
assigned to hide loading only. Use Red Caboose, or resin kit.

CMO 5011
CMO 5031
No such number series in 1955-1959. Probable typo: 50000-50199
were two bay 50 ton open hoppers. I think the Athearn or Kadee
cars (one of them) is correct.

That's all for now, I hope it helps.

Tim O'Connor


Rob Erickson <pattirobpatti@...>
 

Group, thank you to all who provided information. I will try to tie everything up shortly, so I can share this information with the group, if there is interest.

As I mentioned in prior posts, I am working from transcriptions, not from the manuscripts. I have had to interpret some of the listings.

For example, many of the transcriptions listed "PJE" as the reporting marks. In some cursive styles, an "F" looks like a "J". Therefore, these cars are PFE reefers; they also match numbers in PFE classes. Many cars were listed as "ENE". Some turned out to likely be "ERIE" cars; others, "EJE" cars. The car number of a reefer listed as "OMRX" matched up with a "QMRX" car from Merchants Despatch.

Rob Erickson


Steve Haas
 

"Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a
conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo
West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

. . . .

GN 53582
GN 53996
GN 58298
GN 58663

. . . . "

From the April 1957 ORER - all stock (SC) steel underframe

53582 and 53996 - from series 53500-53999 - 37' 2" - Sheep Decks - rump
rails
58298 - from series 58050 - 58499 - 38' 3" - rump rails
58663 - from series 58500 - 58749 -37' 6" - temporary sheep decks - rump
rails.


Best regards,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Erickson" <pattirobpatti@...> wrote:

Group, I have been trying to identify cars that were listed in a conductor's train consist notes. These notes were once posted on the Toledo West website. The dates are from November 1955 through September 1957.

Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

ACL 56063 O-?
40' double-door steel automobile car, class O-16-B, rebuilt 1939-40 from an old single-sheathed box. See Culotta, "Freight Car Reference Manual", vol 1, p 184.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Frank Greene
 

Rob Erickson wrote:
...Out of almost 2300 cars listed, I am still stumped by the following:

...SR 4720
Presuming that "SR" means Southern Railway; neither the January 1955 nor October 1960 ORERs list a series that would include this number. Possibly 14720 (40' 6" 1937 AAR box car, 6' door), 24720 (40' 6" PS-1 box car, 8' door). Less likely are54720 (41' 6" gondola, 2' 5" inside height, rebuilt from other series and not in the 1955 ORER, but in the 1960 ORER), or 94720 (2893 cu. ft. covered hopper not in the 1955 ORER, but in the 1960 ORER).


SR 60533
52' 6" steel, fixed end gondola.


SR 69293

Neither ORER lists a series that includes this number. Possibly 169293 (36' steel center sill box car, 6' door, very few of the series 162000-169769 were still listed in the ORERs: 45 in 1955, 4 in 1960).

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I'm late to this party, but here are some more.
CGW 4820 Pretty sure this is a Steel ARA 1923 car assigned to hide service

CMO 5011
CMO 5031 Both of these are 40' stock cars
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Tim O'Connor
 

Brian, interesting about CMO cars -- they are not listed in my
1955 ORER but they do appear in the 1959 listing. Evidently they
were renumbered from 26001-26499 (244 cars) to 4992-5091 (98 cars)
in this time period. And in 1959 a new series 5092-5191 appears
with 6' doors (the others have 5' doors) -- I wonder what they
were?

Tim O'

At 4/4/2009 10:44 PM Saturday, you wrote:
I'm late to this party, but here are some more.
CGW 4820 Pretty sure this is a Steel ARA 1923 car assigned to hide service

CMO 5011
CMO 5031 Both of these are 40' stock cars
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Erickson" <pattirobpatti@...> wrote:

N&W 83144 HM H-?
N&W 83472 HM H-?
N&W 83677 HM H-?
N&W 83723 HM H-?
Any assistance in identifying these cars and possible HO scale candidates to model them would be greatly appreciated.















Rob,

Let me start by saying I am not an N&W expert, but from what I can gather, these N&W hoppers may be class H9 twins.

According to the online N&W Historical Society Archives, H9's were rebuilt from HL's. In the Jan 1953 ORER all dimensions (except extreme width) for cars in the number series 79500-83999, match those for the number series 56500-59999, 60000-61999, and 67000-69999.

56500-59999 and 67000-69999 are listed in "Coal Car Equipment, Norfolk and Western Railway" as class HL as of May 1, 1944, and dimensions on the diagram in this book match those in the above ORER. HL's appear to be similar to the Stewart 55-ton cars based on these pics from the Virginia Tech Imagebase site:

http://tinyurl.com/d5vdnk

http://tinyurl.com/d39t2h

The H9 photos I could find show a different sill profile (at least) and a CuFt Capy (2054) for car 80000 which matches that in the ORER for 79500-83999:

http://tinyurl.com/cjukow

http://tinyurl.com/dxh8y2

Perhaps someone else on the list can confirm the research, as I am really an ATSF guy into reefers and such. Having lived in N&W country for quite a while, I guess I just couldn't resist getting some coal dust under my fingernails!

Hope this is helpful,

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA