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Paul Hillman

Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485.

When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>

#81017

Wood cars were used into the 60's, well beyond my cutoff date of 1957. you 
need to check if the paint scheme is appropriate for the 1948-50 timeframe. 
I think the green with the diamond is slightly later than 1950, annd I think 
932-5485 is pre 1940 but my RPC's are at home so I can't comment for sure. 

Brian Carlson
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:55:32 -0000, Paul & Bernice Hillman wrote
Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485.

When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in 
the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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Jon Miller <atsf@...>

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I have a Walthers 932-5493.  I think this is correct for my era but don't have my data handy and my memory is not what it used to be.  It's REA with gold lettering.

Jon Miller
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barrybennetttoo <Barrybennetttoo@...>

#81021

According to a page I photocopied many years ago from a soft cover book on
the subject there is a 'Diagram III' dated 1953, which suggests the
introduction of of the red diamond scheme that year. Dark Green (Hunter
Green) body, black, green, grey or silver roof and ends (stands back and
ducks from expected onslaught), lettering full name Railway Express Agency
on left hand body panel and 4 inch reporting marks and numbers. The diagram
shows R.E.X. 6431, which was steel car. There is a diagram IV of 1960 which
shows change of lettering to R E A EXPRESS, and no reference to roof or end
colour, (suggesting green all over?) All else unchanged.



Barry Bennett

Coventry, England.

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From: Brian J Carlson

Date: 22/04/2009 16:55:28

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Wood cars were used into the 60's, well beyond my cutoff date of 1957. you 

need to check if the paint scheme is appropriate for the 1948-50 timeframe. 

I think the green with the diamond is slightly later than 1950, annd I think

932-5485 is pre 1940 but my RPC's are at home so I can't comment for sure. 

Brian Carlson

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Larry Wolohon

#81023

Paul,

The REA still used wood express reefers in the 1948 - 50 period. They were painted, per my copy of RP Cyc 7, Dark Green, gold letterin & black canvas roofs. no red & white diamond. The REA's first steel reefers came out in 1947 - 48. The Branchline kits in the aluminum & green paint job is the original scheme. They were later painted like the wood with Dark Green & gold lettering. The red & white diamond scheme came out in the late 50's. See RP Cyc 7 for more info.

Larry Wolohon

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From: "Paul & Bernice Hillman" <chris_hillman@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:55:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485.

When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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Ed Hawkins

#81024

On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:44 AM, barrybennetttoo wrote:

According to a page I photocopied many years ago from a soft cover 
book on
 the subject there is a 'Diagram III' dated 1953, which suggests the
 introduction of of the red diamond scheme that year. Dark Green 
(Hunter
 Green) body, black, green, grey or silver roof and ends (stands back 
and
 ducks from expected onslaught), lettering full name Railway Express 
Agency
 on left hand body panel and 4 inch reporting marks and numbers. The 
diagram
 shows R.E.X. 6431, which was steel car. There is a diagram IV of 1960 
which
 shows change of lettering to R E A EXPRESS, and no reference to roof 
or end
 colour, (suggesting green all over?) All else unchanged.
Barry,
That soft cover book is Railway Express Agency An Overview by V.S. 
Roseman. The lettering diagrams in this book are his own artwork and 
are not substantiated with REA documentation that I can find or verify. 
I've seen references to photos about the red & white diamond being used 
as early as 1953, however, I need to be convinced with REA 
documentation or a trusted photo date that the diamond was used this 
early. The earliest dated photo that I trust and having the diamond 
emblem is 1955. This is a GATC builder's photo of steel express 
refrigerator car #7210 from series 6900-7399 built in 1955.

I have also seen a number of in-service photos dated 1955 showing the 
red & white emblem. The earliest photo dates that I trust are REX 6451 
(repainted welded express reefer) taken at National City, California, 
on 9-5-55 and REX 7268 taken at the same location 10-29-55. Both photos 
were taken by Col. Chet McCoid (available from Bob's Photo), who was 
careful to document the exact day he took most of his photographs 
including these two.

If anyone has a copy of an REA stencil drawing that provides a date 
when the diamond was first used, I would appreciate knowing the date of 
the drawing or revision.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Paul Hillman

#81035

Hello Larry,

Thanks for the info. Looks like Walthers #932-5485 fits the 1948-50 period.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-5485<http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-5485>

Does this look correct?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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  Paul, 

  The REA still used wood express reefers in the 1948 - 50 period. They were painted, per my copy of RP Cyc 7, Dark Green, gold letterin & black canvas roofs. no red & white diamond. The REA's first steel reefers came out in 1947 - 48. The Branchline kits in the aluminum & green paint job is the original scheme. They were later painted like the wood with Dark Green & gold lettering. The red & white diamond scheme came out in the late 50's. See RP Cyc 7 for more info. 

  Larry Wolohon 
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  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:55:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
  Subject: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers 

  Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485. 

  When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then? 

  Thanks, Paul Hillman

Larry Wolohon

#81036

Paul,

That is what the RP Cyc 7 shows. I would say that it looks correct.

Hope this helps.

Larry Wolohon

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From: "Paul Hillman" <chris_hillman@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:16:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Hello Larry,

Thanks for the info. Looks like Walthers #932-5485 fits the 1948-50 period.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-5485 < http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-5485 >

Does this look correct?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Paul,

The REA still used wood express reefers in the 1948 - 50 period. They were painted, per my copy of RP Cyc 7, Dark Green, gold letterin & black canvas roofs. no red & white diamond. The REA's first steel reefers came out in 1947 - 48. The Branchline kits in the aluminum & green paint job is the original scheme. They were later painted like the wood with Dark Green & gold lettering. The red & white diamond scheme came out in the late 50's. See RP Cyc 7 for more info.

Larry Wolohon
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To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:55:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485.

When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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Steve SANDIFER

#81039

You may want to check out
http://www.atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Foreign/GACXExpReef/Index.htm

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Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 6:23 PM

Paul,

That is what the RP Cyc 7 shows. I would say that it looks correct.

Hope this helps.

Larry Wolohon
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From: "Paul Hillman" <chris_hillman@ msn.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:16:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Hello Larry,

Thanks for the info. Looks like Walthers #932-5485 fits the 1948-50 period.

http://www.walthers .com/exec/ productinfo/ 932-5485 < http://www.walthers .com/exec/ productinfo/ 932-5485 >

Does this look correct?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto: STMFC@yahoogroups. com >
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Paul,

The REA still used wood express reefers in the 1948 - 50 period. They were painted, per my copy of RP Cyc 7, Dark Green, gold letterin & black canvas roofs. no red & white diamond. The REA's first steel reefers came out in 1947 - 48. The Branchline kits in the aluminum & green paint job is the original scheme. They were later painted like the wood with Dark Green & gold lettering. The red & white diamond scheme came out in the late 50's. See RP Cyc 7 for more info.

Larry Wolohon
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com> 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:55:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] REA Wood Express Reefers

Walthers is selling REA Wood Express Reefers, #'s 932-5471 & 932-5485.

When did REA quit using wood cars? Specfically were they in use in the 1948-1950 period? Or were they steel by then?

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>

#81040

Steve Sandifer wrote:
You may want to check out
http://www.atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Foreign/GACXExpReef/Index.htm     Very nice, objective and specific reviews, Steve. Hard to  imagine any more to discuss beyond what you've contributed.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Jason Hill

#81057

If anyone has a copy of an REA stencil drawing that provides a datewhen the diamond was first used, I would appreciate knowing the date of
the drawing or revision.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins<<

Greetings all, my $0.02...
  All the research that I've done both in the REA book and the Car Builder's Encyl. say that the Red and white diamond was started in 1953.  The interesting photo of a '47 blt steel reefer in the post silver and green strip but pre-diamond herald shows it to be identical lettering placement to the silver and green scheme (The "Railway Express Agency" spelled out in one line in yellow/gold paint in the same location as on the silver/green scheme.)  As I'm modeling 1952-1953 I have the following breakdown.  2 wood cars and 1 steel freshly painted w/diamond, about 6-7 wood and 3 steel without diamond (just remove or paint over the diamond scheme car), 1 wood in the pre-1943 "pullman/olive green" with reporting marks and spelled out REA on both sides of the door, and 2 steel in silver/green as delievered.  

  The hard one for me to find info to nail down is when they dropped the olive green scheme (1943 IIRC) and went to a intermediate scheme (the hunter green with one line spelled out REA as above) before they went to the 1953 yellow lettering and diamond.  I believe that the one picture of REX 6318 is the only one I've seen that shows an interim 1943-1953 example of the cars, and it was obviously a silver and green car that was recently repainted, but before the diamond herald.

 The later (1960's) is when they started the lighter green and the variations on the heralds.

Jason Hill
Tehachapi Sub 1952-53