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Michael McAnally
Ed and the entire group:
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I would like to thank all of you for your inputs on my inquiry. I have the starting points I need to search out the information that I seek. To Ed especially, I do have access to quite a bit of your research, thanks to Railmodel Journal magazine- Thank you all again, Michael McAnally --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Boxcar color inquiry To: STMFC@... Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 9:07 AM On Jun 27, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Michael McAnally wrote: Good day group:Michael, The following information is based on a limited sample of actual paint samples that are available for viewing in AC&F bills of materials for cars built from 1931 through 1952. These documents are at the St. Louis Mercantile Library. As a general rule, freight cars built from 1931 to about 1937 received paint that was darker and more brown than for cars built during the 1940s to early 1950s. Despite using the same name "Mineral Brown," an ATSF paint sample for Bx-13 box cars built 4-31 (135350-135649) is much darker and more brown than ATSF freight cars built in the mid-1940s, which were more red-brown in appearance. In addition, paints applied to freight cars during the 1930s were quite flat, whereas during the 1940s there was typically a sheen to the paint. During the 1930s MP and RI used colors that were very much like the 1931 sample of ATSF Mineral Brown. Around 1940 is when I start to notice more red in the paint samples and more sheen to the paint. Regarding Frisco, I don't have access to any Frisco paint samples until 1951. The 1951 sample is an oxide shade, but during the 1930s I don't have any paint samples from which to base a color. From a Pullman bill of materials for lot 5472 (SL-SF 161500--162499 built in 1930), the paint was called Wardway #116. No telling what shade of color this was, as the Pullman bills of materials do not provide any paint samples. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Ed Hawkins
On Jun 27, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Michael McAnally wrote:
Good day group:Michael, The following information is based on a limited sample of actual paint samples that are available for viewing in AC&F bills of materials for cars built from 1931 through 1952. These documents are at the St. Louis Mercantile Library. As a general rule, freight cars built from 1931 to about 1937 received paint that was darker and more brown than for cars built during the 1940s to early 1950s. Despite using the same name "Mineral Brown," an ATSF paint sample for Bx-13 box cars built 4-31 (135350-135649) is much darker and more brown than ATSF freight cars built in the mid-1940s, which were more red-brown in appearance. In addition, paints applied to freight cars during the 1930s were quite flat, whereas during the 1940s there was typically a sheen to the paint. During the 1930s MP and RI used colors that were very much like the 1931 sample of ATSF Mineral Brown. Around 1940 is when I start to notice more red in the paint samples and more sheen to the paint. Regarding Frisco, I don't have access to any Frisco paint samples until 1951. The 1951 sample is an oxide shade, but during the 1930s I don't have any paint samples from which to base a color. From a Pullman bill of materials for lot 5472 (SL-SF 161500--162499 built in 1930), the paint was called Wardway #116. No telling what shade of color this was, as the Pullman bills of materials do not provide any paint samples. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Michael McAnally
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Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, and sending me a starting point. I'll see if I can locate the cyclopedia and any other available information. Thank you again, Michael McAnally --- On Sun, 6/28/09, pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:
From: pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar color inquiry To: STMFC@... Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 7:29 AM Michael, A good place to start to get the answers you're looking for is Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #3. In that issue is a great article on boxcar painting which includes an excellent paint chart for many US roads. The issue is out of print, but with luck you might find one. As has been pointed out many times on this list after some time in service the elements will alter the perceived colour of cars a great deal. I do find though that using the suggested colours in the chart is a good place to start and then weather to taste. Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Michael McAnally" <macbmac1@.. .> wrote:
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pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
Michael,
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A good place to start to get the answers you're looking for is Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #3. In that issue is a great article on boxcar painting which includes an excellent paint chart for many US roads. The issue is out of print, but with luck you might find one. As has been pointed out many times on this list after some time in service the elements will alter the perceived colour of cars a great deal. I do find though that using the suggested colours in the chart is a good place to start and then weather to taste. Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@..., "Michael McAnally" <macbmac1@...> wrote:
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Michael McAnally
Good day group:
I am relatively new to the group, and have read with much interest all posts and replies. I have learned quite a bit just from monitoring the groups' emails. I now have a question: I have finished detailing some USRA DS boxcars, c.1930's, for the MoPac, RI, and Frisco, and am at the painting stage. I know that the basic color is freight car / boxcar red, but are there specific shades one would recommend? Any help or input is greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work and, and thank you for allowing me to be a member of the group Michael B. McAnally |
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