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Roundhouse milk car (was Milk car photo)
Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Tim and friends,
I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out just before Roundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50' car. Does this car have an actual prototype?
I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to run on the freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the casting was not bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentary at best (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
Tim O'Connor wrote:
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I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out just before Roundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50' car. Does this car have an actual prototype?
I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to run on the freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the casting was not bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentary at best (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
Tim O'Connor wrote:
General American built a number of similar steel milk cars
for Pfaudler. Overland imported three of them in brass -- two
40' cars and a 47' car. The most common style was a 40' car
with a rounded bottom sill, which was produced (although not
as well) by Intermountain.
Here are some photo references:
47' round-sill cars
RMJ 3/1990 p.28 1950's color photo GPEX #1007 leased to H.P. Hood & Sons
MM 1/1986 p.2 photos H.P. Hood GPEX #982/#985
40' round-sill cars
CFC V.2 p.64 1964 color photo GPEX #1055 (HP Hood)
RMJ 1/1993 p.37 1960's color photo GPEX #1055 (Hood)
RMJ 3/1990 p.29 1950's photos GPEX #1033 and #1016 leased to H.P. Hood & Sons
MM 2/1987 p.41 1960 photo GPEX #994 (HP Hood)
MM 1/1986 p.2 photos Borden's #998, Mars #1066
40' straight-sill cars
RMJ 1/1993 p.38 1950's color photo GPEX #1076 leased to Whiting Milk
Tim O'Connor
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In the July 2009 issue of Model Railroader, page 54, there is a photo
of MEC locomotive #332 switching a train at Quebec Junction. Immediately
forward of the locomotive there is a "milk car" that is rolled/rounded at
both the top and base of the sides. Does anyone know what this car is,
have any drawings ever been done or a model made in HO?
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio
On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Garth G. Groff wrote:
The Athearn model looks to be the spitting image of a small number of cars owned by SUPPLEE. A few of us are working on decals for that car, since the SUPPLEE MILK lettering was in red and attached to the car side, not painted on. I think that there is a photo in Bob's first Milk Cars book. We know that these cars ran on the PRR and the Huntington and Broad Top (film of one behind a GG1 in Pennsy Steam and Electric vol 1).
I think that there are a number of other cars that the model matches as well.
Regards
Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Tim and friends,Garth,
I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk
car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out just before
Roundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50' car.
Does this car have an actual prototype?
I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to run on
the freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the casting was
not bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentary at
best (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
The Athearn model looks to be the spitting image of a small number of cars owned by SUPPLEE. A few of us are working on decals for that car, since the SUPPLEE MILK lettering was in red and attached to the car side, not painted on. I think that there is a photo in Bob's first Milk Cars book. We know that these cars ran on the PRR and the Huntington and Broad Top (film of one behind a GG1 in Pennsy Steam and Electric vol 1).
I think that there are a number of other cars that the model matches as well.
Regards
Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Garth
There were 40' wood milk tank cars, e.g. Abbotts (photo RMJ 10/1990)
and GPEX/Pfaudler. Overland imported models of these (calling them
Type A and Type B). I've never seen the new Roundhouse/Athearn car so
I can't say if it's based on a prototype. I think Precision Scale
imported a 40' wood milk car but I have no further info on that one
either. Perhaps Athearn's ancient milk/express reefer was based on
the General American 53' milk tank car (not the same as the more
common 50' express reefer). Overland also imported this car (#3061).
Tim O'Connor
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There were 40' wood milk tank cars, e.g. Abbotts (photo RMJ 10/1990)
and GPEX/Pfaudler. Overland imported models of these (calling them
Type A and Type B). I've never seen the new Roundhouse/Athearn car so
I can't say if it's based on a prototype. I think Precision Scale
imported a 40' wood milk car but I have no further info on that one
either. Perhaps Athearn's ancient milk/express reefer was based on
the General American 53' milk tank car (not the same as the more
common 50' express reefer). Overland also imported this car (#3061).
Tim O'Connor
At 7/13/2009 12:42 PM Monday, you wrote:
Tim and friends,
I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk
car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out just before
Roundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50' car.
Does this car have an actual prototype?
I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to run on
the freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the casting was
not bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentary at
best (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
Armand Premo
It is pretty close to the Whiting Co. milk reefer and Overland's type B.IMHO a pretty fair model when compared to the old Roundhouse and Athearn's feeble attempts.Armand Premo
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From: Bruce Smith
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On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Garth G. Groff wrote:
> Tim and friends,
>
> I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk
> car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out just before
> Roundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50'
> car.
> Does this car have an actual prototype?
>
> I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to run on
> the freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the casting
> was
> not bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentary at
> best (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
Garth,
The Athearn model looks to be the spitting image of a small number of
cars owned by SUPPLEE. A few of us are working on decals for that
car, since the SUPPLEE MILK lettering was in red and attached to the
car side, not painted on. I think that there is a photo in Bob's
first Milk Cars book. We know that these cars ran on the PRR and the
Huntington and Broad Top (film of one behind a GG1 in Pennsy Steam
and Electric vol 1).
I think that there are a number of other cars that the model matches
as well.
Regards
Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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From: Bruce Smith
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Roundhouse milk car (was Milk car photo)
On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Garth G. Groff wrote:
> Tim and friends,
>
> I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk
> car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out just before
> Roundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50'
> car.
> Does this car have an actual prototype?
>
> I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to run on
> the freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the casting
> was
> not bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentary at
> best (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
Garth,
The Athearn model looks to be the spitting image of a small number of
cars owned by SUPPLEE. A few of us are working on decals for that
car, since the SUPPLEE MILK lettering was in red and attached to the
car side, not painted on. I think that there is a photo in Bob's
first Milk Cars book. We know that these cars ran on the PRR and the
Huntington and Broad Top (film of one behind a GG1 in Pennsy Steam
and Electric vol 1).
I think that there are a number of other cars that the model matches
as well.
Regards
Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
The Roundhouse milk car is based on the 1928 MDT Pfaudler car.
Drawings for this
car are available througth the NYCHS. I have a couple of the cars but
have never taken the time
to check them against the drawing. Lionel did this car in O scale
prior to Roundhouse and I heard
through rumor that both companies had access to prototype drawings.
Roger Hinman
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Drawings for this
car are available througth the NYCHS. I have a couple of the cars but
have never taken the time
to check them against the drawing. Lionel did this car in O scale
prior to Roundhouse and I heard
through rumor that both companies had access to prototype drawings.
Roger Hinman
On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Garth
There were 40' wood milk tank cars, e.g. Abbotts (photo RMJ 10/1990)
and GPEX/Pfaudler. Overland imported models of these (calling them
Type A and Type B). I've never seen the new Roundhouse/Athearn car so
I can't say if it's based on a prototype. I think Precision Scale
imported a 40' wood milk car but I have no further info on that one
either. Perhaps Athearn's ancient milk/express reefer was based on
the General American 53' milk tank car (not the same as the more
common 50' express reefer). Overland also imported this car (#3061).
Tim O'Connor
At 7/13/2009 12:42 PM Monday, you wrote:Tim and friends,before
I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk
car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out justRoundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50'car.Does this car have an actual prototype?on
I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to runthe freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the castingwasnot bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentaryatbest (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
James Fellows
I modified the Roundhouse cars to more closely resemble the Whiting cars used in New England. Here are a couple of shots of my models:
http://www.freewebs.com/nynhh/milkcars.htm
There are shots on the IM and Walthers cars as well.
Jim Fellows
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http://www.freewebs.com/nynhh/milkcars.htm
There are shots on the IM and Walthers cars as well.
Jim Fellows
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From: Roger Hinman
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Roundhouse milk car (was Milk car photo)
The Roundhouse milk car is based on the 1928 MDT Pfaudler car.
Drawings for this
car are available througth the NYCHS. I have a couple of the cars but
have never taken the time
to check them against the drawing. Lionel did this car in O scale
prior to Roundhouse and I heard
through rumor that both companies had access to prototype drawings.
Roger Hinman
On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>
>
> Garth
>
> There were 40' wood milk tank cars, e.g. Abbotts (photo RMJ 10/1990)
> and GPEX/Pfaudler. Overland imported models of these (calling them
> Type A and Type B). I've never seen the new Roundhouse/Athearn car so
> I can't say if it's based on a prototype. I think Precision Scale
> imported a 40' wood milk car but I have no further info on that one
> either. Perhaps Athearn's ancient milk/express reefer was based on
> the General American 53' milk tank car (not the same as the more
> common 50' express reefer). Overland also imported this car (#3061).
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
> At 7/13/2009 12:42 PM Monday, you wrote:
> >Tim and friends,
> >
> >I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk
> >car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out just
> before
> >Roundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50'
> car.
> >Does this car have an actual prototype?
> >
> >I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to run
> on
> >the freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the casting
> was
> >not bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentary
> at
> >best (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >Garth G. Groff
>
>
>
From: Roger Hinman
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Roundhouse milk car (was Milk car photo)
The Roundhouse milk car is based on the 1928 MDT Pfaudler car.
Drawings for this
car are available througth the NYCHS. I have a couple of the cars but
have never taken the time
to check them against the drawing. Lionel did this car in O scale
prior to Roundhouse and I heard
through rumor that both companies had access to prototype drawings.
Roger Hinman
On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>
>
> Garth
>
> There were 40' wood milk tank cars, e.g. Abbotts (photo RMJ 10/1990)
> and GPEX/Pfaudler. Overland imported models of these (calling them
> Type A and Type B). I've never seen the new Roundhouse/Athearn car so
> I can't say if it's based on a prototype. I think Precision Scale
> imported a 40' wood milk car but I have no further info on that one
> either. Perhaps Athearn's ancient milk/express reefer was based on
> the General American 53' milk tank car (not the same as the more
> common 50' express reefer). Overland also imported this car (#3061).
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
> At 7/13/2009 12:42 PM Monday, you wrote:
> >Tim and friends,
> >
> >I don't remember ever discussing the Roundhouse/Athearn 40' wood milk
> >car on this group. This is the recent one they brought out just
> before
> >Roundhouse was taken over a few years back, not the much older 50'
> car.
> >Does this car have an actual prototype?
> >
> >I have two, which I planned to letter for a real local dairy to run
> on
> >the freelanced Virginia version of my layout. To my eye the casting
> was
> >not bad for mass production, though the brake system is rudimentary
> at
> >best (just the major components unconnected by any piping).
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >Garth G. Groff
>
>
>