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Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars
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Hmmmmm.... Anyone want to try to match model w/ prototype?
No mention of the roof... but Atlas does say "Inside height of model may vary from prototype" 6400-1 Undecorated (5-5-5 End, Fishbelly Underframe) 6400-2 Undecorated (5-5-5 End, Straight Underframe) 6400-3 Undecorated (7-8 End, Fishbelly Underframe) 6400-4 Undecorated (7-8 End, Straight Underframe) Tim O'Connor |
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Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
I'll leave it to the experts to match the model to the correct prototypes, but what about paint schemes used? Other than the KCS car, and maybe the A&D, are any of the paint schemes listed and shown for the first run of any use to those of us modeling the late 1940's. One has to wonder how many AT&SF and Pennsy cars were still around to receive paint of the style offered. The RS&P car I can't comment on at all but the two VTR cars represent a major portion of this type of car on the VTR, one of which was still in North Bennington until the recent past. I'm really glad to see Atlas offering cars such as the 1932 ARA and these rebuilt USRA prototypes but will be even happier to see them in the style of paint they carried immediately after being rebuilt. All the best, Don Valentine |
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rwitt_2000
Tim O'Connor wrote:
They also say "10-panel body" so these apparently will not be "clones" of their O-scale and N-scale versions, which have 8-panel bodies. The "technical" illustrations indicates the cars have a short IH, which I believe limits the number of potential prototypes. Bob Witt |
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golden1014
The ACL 46000-class rebuild USRA box cars--which closely resemble the model photos--had 5-5-5 ends and fishbelly underframes.
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John Golden Bloomington, IN --- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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pennsylvania1954
Let's exercise caution here. The "technical drawings" show 10 panel sides while the photos of the test shot taken at the NMRA convention show 8 panel sides.
At least the PRR scheme is bogus. All the Pennsy rebuilds were done with post-war AAR 10'6 IH bodies with 10 panels. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL |
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SUVCWORR@...
In 1953 the PRR still rostered 3462 X26C boxcars.
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Rich Orr -----Original Message-----
From: Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:46 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars --- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
I'll leave it to the experts to match the model to the correct prototypes, but what about paint schemes used? Other than the KCS car, and maybe the A&D, are any of the paint schemes listed and shown for the first run of any use to those of us modeling the late 1940's. One has to wonder how many AT&SF and Pennsy cars were still around to receive paint of the style offered. The RS&P car I can't comment on at all but the two VTR cars represent a major portion of this type of car on the VTR, one of which was still in North Bennington until the recent past. I'm really glad to see Atlas offering cars such as the 1932 ARA and these rebuilt USRA prototypes but will be even happier to see them in the style of paint they carried immediately after being rebuilt. All the best, Don Valentine ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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And how many of them were bad ordered? :-)
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Tim O'Connor In 1953 the PRR still rostered 3462 X26C boxcars. |
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jerryglow2
The KCS car appears to be using a number from rebuilt DS cars which had post-war bodies on a fishbelly underframe neither of which seem to match the model, so I'd say that one is pure bogus. Best I know from reading, ATSF's rebuilds varried some in IH but all were taller than the model. So between paint AND bogusiousity, I wonder if ANY are correct or useable.
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Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., "Donald B. Valentine" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
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jerryglow2
The list of "features" of the model on their web site indicates 10 panel sides.
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Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., "pennsylvania1954" <stevehprr@...> wrote:
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Richard Hendrickson
On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:53 PM, jerryglow2 wrote:
The KCS car appears to be using a number from rebuilt DS cars whichThe Santa Fe rebuilt all of its remaining USRA box cars (from the original 2,800 cars in class Bs-2) in the late 1930s and early '40s. Bx-28 and Bx-31 classes were 10'0" IH with an extra two ribs added above the original 5-5-5 USRA corrugated ends. Bx-32, Bx-33, and Bx-36 classes were 10'4" IH, also with two additional end ribs. All had new rectangular panel Murphy roofs, so the Atlas models aren't even remotely close to any of the ATSF rebuilds. Aside from other shortcomings, the model's 10 panel sides make it incorrect for ACL, C&NW, DT&I, GTW, Rock Island, SL-SF, and Wabash rebuilds, all of which had 8-panel sides. Some of these cars retained the original inside height and 5-5-5 ends, so a model with 8 panel sides would have been useful. As it is, I don't believe the models accurately represent anything. What was Atlas' R&D department thinking (or were they thinking at all)? Richard Hendrickson |
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Don Burn
It should be noted that the description is exactly what Atlas put out for the N-scale model when that was announced (including the scale at the end) the final model was 8 panel not 10 panel as they had described. This seems to be confirmed by the preproduction picture that was out last month.
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Given this it seems it could be a standin for a ACL or Katy rebuild. I'm in N-scale and I curse Atlas because of course they don't offer the N-scale model in either paint scheme. Worse yet if I was to take the time to repaint it, I would want to fix all the other problems the car has in that scale. Don Burn ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:53 PM, jerryglow2 wrote:The KCS car appears to be using a number from rebuilt DS cars whichThe Santa Fe rebuilt all of its remaining USRA box cars (from the __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4312 (20090806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Don Burn wrote, about the N scale model
with 8 panel sides, ....it could be a standin for a ACL or Katy rebuild.Don, the Katy never had USRA rebuilds (or USRA box cars of any description, for that matter). You may be thinking of the Frisco, which did have USRA 40 ton double wood sheathed box cars in large numbers and rebuilt many of them with either plywood or steel side sheathing. Richard Hendrickson |
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jfbrewer@...
The KCS car features the same artwork, down to the car number, as the first Cocoa Beach Shake and Take project.
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Jim Brewer Glenwood, MD ----- Original Message -----
From: "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 3:53:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars The KCS car appears to be using a number from rebuilt DS cars which had post-war bodies on a fishbelly underframe neither of which seem to match the model, so I'd say that one is pure bogus. Best I know from reading, ATSF's rebuilds varried some in IH but all were taller than the model. So between paint AND bogusiousity, I wonder if ANY are correct or useable. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@... , "Donald B. Valentine" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
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Don Burn
My bad, the problems when typing without the reference in front of me. I did mean the Frisco.
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Don Burn ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Don Burn wrote, about the N scale model __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4313 (20090806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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golden1014
Jerry,
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You're right--the ACL cars had large eight panel sides. I guess I overlooked that note. Good catch Jerry. John John Golden Bloomington, IN --- On Thu, 8/6/09, jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...> wrote:
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...> Subject: Re: Atlas rebuilt USRA box cars To: "John Golden" <golden1014@...> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:06 PM Didn't the ACL cars have 8 panel sides? From the discription on their web site, the models will have 10 panel sides. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., "John Golden" <golden1014@...> wrote:
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Greg Martin
Jim you wrote:
"The KCS car features the same artwork, down to the car number, as the first Cocoa Beach Shake and Take project. Jim Brewer" Jim, Yes, I noticed and smiled. But given we haven't seen in the flesh what they are going to produce I plan to give them time ad space to hopefully get the cars done correctly. You never know perhaps this is going to be in their "Trainman" series and then it is a mute point. Greg Martin |
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Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
Surely I am not the only one in this group who knows who to contact at Atlas and how to contact him. How do you think I got all those free Alco RS-1s?
Has Atlas asked anyone in this group to help with these cars? Has anyone offered help that was refused? It may not be too late to offer some help with paint schemes if not the final form or (apparently) forms of the the cars. From what I take to be the reweigh dates listed on their website it looks like Atlas is going for paint schemes near or (horrors) even after 1960. I, for one, would prefer the earliest possible paint scheme on each version but . . . Gene Green |
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Gene, it may just been a happy coincidence that your information
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was useful to Atlas. In the past, many of their model choices have been entirely idiosyncratically made based on the tastes of the people there. Paul Graf actually wrote once either on r.m.r. or another forum that he was simply interested in northeastern U.S. railroads so the models had to serve that interest. (I think his statement was in connection with the choice of a "unique to the Reading" wide-vision cupola International caboose, which has been decorated in well over 100 foobie paint schemes by now.) Which is not to pick on Atlas. I think more than person noticed that Proto2000 tended to choose Burlington prototypes out of all proportion to the size of that railroad. (Isn't Charlie Vik a CB&Q fan?) :-) Tim O ---------------------------------------- Surely I am not the only one in this group who knows who to contact at Atlas and how to contact him. How do you think I got all those free Alco RS-1s? |
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spsalso
--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Which is not to pick on Atlas. I think more than person noticedI called up Life Like to rag on them when they came out with the BN U28B and put on black handrails. I don't recall the "higher-ups" name, but he said he regretted not knowing very much about the western roads. I said he should call anytime with questions, but I think Walthers took them over soon after. Ed Edward Sutorik PS: Considering that either the ACL or SAL U-boat also had a bad error (not to mention the GN one), maybe he reversed coasts when an irate Southerner called. |
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Charlie Vlk
I am, but can't be blamed or credited for the Life-Like or Walthers Proto2000.... while I've done a little consulting work for them, none of it has been on anything for the CB&Q.
The main culprit would be Nolan Null. I am, however, will unashamedly stand behind some projects past, present and future that have my CB&Q fingerprints all over them at Kato, Broadway Limited, DeLuxe Innovations, and a few more former employers and clients!!! Charlie Vlk Gene, it may just been a happy coincidence that your information was useful to Atlas. In the past, many of their model choices have been entirely idiosyncratically made based on the tastes of the people there. Paul Graf actually wrote once either on r.m.r. or another forum that he was simply interested in northeastern U.S. railroads so the models had to serve that interest. (I think his statement was in connection with the choice of a "unique to the Reading" wide-vision cupola International caboose, which has been decorated in well over 100 foobie paint schemes by now.) Which is not to pick on Atlas. I think more than person noticed that Proto2000 tended to choose Burlington prototypes out of all proportion to the size of that railroad. (Isn't Charlie Vik a CB&Q fan?) :-) Tim O . |
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