--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit







Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com> wrote:


From: cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 2:53 PM


 




You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay. rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels


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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cobrapsl@... wrote:

You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.



Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@sympatico.ca>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:11 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit







Paul,
I think you are mistaken. I have a memory of a Sunshine reefer kit that had the ends and sides cast as one piece, with a seperate roof and floor. Of course I can't remember which kit it was at this time.
Now one could argue that without the roof or underframe it doesn't fully qualify as a one piece body.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cobrapsl@... wrote:

You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.



Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:21 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit







Pierre, I had the same memory. I checked my all-time list and found kits
34.14 & 34.15, BREX & WFEX reefers listed as Quick-Kits. One piece sides and
ends is close enough to a "one piece" body for me.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:08 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

I am surprised that Gerald Glow hasn't responded, since he was instrumental
with the development of this car, and he did the decals with his ALPS
printer.

Terry and Gerald thought that the ART reefer from Sunshine could use some
improvements, and Terry proceeded to assemble a better body and then made a
complex acrylic mold box to allow pouring one-piece castings. Terry did
about 50 of these cars, and I know for an absolute fact that Terry will not
be making any more-EVER (He has all he wants)! Terry is immersed in bringing
his tri-color LED equipped US&S H2 searchlight signals to market and isn't
entertaining any ideas of other projects, especially at this time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com> wrote:


From: cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:53 AM


 




You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay. rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels

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--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:05 PM


 



Paul.
  I do recall that he did a reefer that had all 4 sides molded together.  Just add the roof and floor.  Can not remember which one.  I will see if I can find out. Dennis
 

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin
kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:53 AM

 

You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay. rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number
of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits

of information. Do

I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:05 PM


 



Paul.
  I do recall that he did a reefer that had all 4 sides molded together.  Just add the roof and floor.  Can not remember which one.  I will see if I can find out. Dennis
 

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:53 AM

 

You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay. rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:05 PM


 



Paul.
  I do recall that he did a reefer that had all 4 sides molded together.  Just add the roof and floor.  Can not remember which one.  I will see if I can find out. Dennis
 

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:53 AM

 

You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay. rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit







?
?
paul.
? One of the kits is #34.14 BREX78200series Burlington Reefer, and the kit #34.15 WFEX 38'8" Reefer. I hope this helps.?? Thanks Jim for ALL the useful info on your site.?? Dennis Williams (I owed you one!)

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:05 PM

?

Paul.
? I do recall that he did a reefer that had all 4 sides molded together.? Just add the roof and floor.? Can not remember which one.? I will see if I can find out. Dennis
?

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@aol. com <cobrapsl@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:53 AM

?

You guys really have my curosity up as to what kit you are talking about. Bill, if it is a one piece body, it is NOT a Sunshine kit, as Martin has never done any one piece castings, except for the quasi gondolas castings.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay. rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Actually I think they are a Sunshine kits cast as a one piece body. They come with brass foot holds for the roof, and a choice of ice hatch covers.

From the photo I have showing the outside metal roof from a relatively high angle, I determined the number of roof ribs was not correct, so I removed the ones that were cast on and replaced them with strip styrene. I think my two models are still pictured on the Steam Era website. I used a combination of Sunshine, Champ and Terry's decals. Based on a recommendation I saw I think in the MPHS magazine, I used Modelflex D&RGW gold to paint the sides. I built two, one w/fans and still have two unbuilt kits

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, asychis@... wrote:

I am preparing a presentation on ART models for the Missouri Pacific
Historical Society meeting in Omaha. I have two of these models, but
unfortunately did not keep the instructions. Can someone provide me with details on
these kits? I know the numbers series, and have built the models, but I
believe they were modifications of a PFE wood-sided reefer. I'd like to know
how they differ from the PFE car and any other tidbits of information. Do
I have the name right? Has anyone else built the ART version? Want to
send me a photo to include in the talk?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

I am surprised that Gerald Glow hasn't responded, since he was instrumental with the development of this car, and he did the decals with his ALPS printer.

Terry and Gerald thought that the ART reefer from Sunshine could use some improvements, and Terry proceeded to assemble a better body and then made a complex acrylic mold box to allow pouring one-piece castings. Terry did about 50 of these cars, and I know for an absolute fact that Terry will not be making any more-EVER (He has all he wants)! Terry is immersed in bringing his tri-color LED equipped US&S H2 searchlight signals to market and isn't entertaining any ideas of other projects, especially at this time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




________________________________
From: "cobrapsl@..." <cobrapsl@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:43:46 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit



Thanks Jim,

I have a couple in the closet to look at when I get home. However, those sure are not?PFE/ART models! So I guess, the question still lingers. What kit are we taliking about Jerry?

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@ verizon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:21 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Wegman (?) PFE/ART resin kit

Pierre, I had the same memory. I checked my all-time list and found kits
34.14 & 34.15, BREX & WFEX reefers listed as Quick-Kits. One piece sides and
ends is close enough to a "one piece" body for me.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits. com