main@RealSTMFC.groups.io | 46 ft. Flatcars?

Home Messages Hashtags Subgroups

Date Date 1 - 11 of 11

46 ft. Flatcars?

Q1xamacarthur1 <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?

I know the B&O did not have any this size and the NYC diagram book has
none.
The PRR Flat car book has none also.
Edwin C. Kirstatter.
____________________________________________________________
New Car Invoice Pricing
Get multiple price quotes. You could save thousands on a new car!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=-sxbHScumTEsUF60V2dCGAAAJ1B8efes6EaXV6Eq1UC1e4YpAAQAAAAFAAAAAARWFj4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAg1RwAAAAA=

Bruce Smith

#85718

On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and  unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more  inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC   46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
                           __
                          /  &#92;
  __<+--+>________________&#92;__/___   ________________________________
 |- ______/ O        O &#92;_______ -| | __  __  __  __  __  __  __  __ |
 | / 4999  PENNSYLVANIA   4999 &#92; | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||
 |/_____________________________&#92;|_|________________________________|
 | O--O     &#92;0  0  0  0/    O--O |   0-0-0                    0-0-0

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)

#85727

Hi Ed and list members,

Bruce wrote:

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 seriesOne of the TSC reprints has a pic of a C&NW flat in this length.

  -  Claus Schlund


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:smithbf@...]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and  
unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more  
inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC   46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
                           __
                          /  &#92;
  __<+--+>________________&#92;__/___   ________________________________
 |- ______/ O        O &#92;_______ -| | __  __  __  __  __  __  __  __ |
 | / 4999  PENNSYLVANIA   4999 &#92; | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||
 |/_____________________________&#92;|_|________________________________|
 | O--O     &#92;0  0  0  0/    O--O |   0-0-0                    0-0-0




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)

#85921

Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

  -  Claus Schlund

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@...]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 03:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re:  [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

Hi Ed and list members,

Bruce wrote:

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 seriesOne of the TSC reprints has a pic of a C&NW flat in this length.

 -  Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:smithbf@...]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and  
unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more  
inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC   46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
                           __
                          /  &#92;
  __<+--+>________________&#92;__/___   ________________________________
 |- ______/ O        O &#92;_______ -| | __  __  __  __  __  __  __  __ |
 | / 4999  PENNSYLVANIA   4999 &#92; | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||
 |/_____________________________&#92;|_|________________________________|
 | O--O     &#92;0  0  0  0/    O--O |   0-0-0                    0-0-0

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)

#85922

Hi,

Forgot to mention, in N scale, Model Power makes a car that is a good match for C&NW 42597. It has crude details, but then upgrading the details is part of the fun!

  -  Claus

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:06 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re:   [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

 -  Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@...]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 03:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re:  [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

Hi Ed and list members,

Bruce wrote:

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 seriesOne of the TSC reprints has a pic of a C&NW flat in this length.

 -  Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:smithbf@...]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and  
unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more  
inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC   46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
                           __
                          /  &#92;
  __<+--+>________________&#92;__/___   ________________________________
 |- ______/ O        O &#92;_______ -| | __  __  __  __  __  __  __  __ |
 | / 4999  PENNSYLVANIA   4999 &#92; | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||
 |/_____________________________&#92;|_|________________________________|
 | O--O     &#92;0  0  0  0/    O--O |   0-0-0                    0-0-0

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Jeffrey White

#85923

According to the 1954 Freight Car Diagram book for the IC, they had a number of 45 foot flat cars running yet.  The diagram shows 200 numbers (6100-61199) but I have no idea how many were still running. Built in 1929 by Bett. Co.

Claus Schlund (HGM) wrote:

Show quoted text

 
Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

- Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@... <mailto:claus%40hellgatemodels.com>]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 03:07 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

Hi Ed and list members,

Bruce wrote:

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 seriesOne of the TSC reprints has a pic of a C&NW flat in this length.

- Claus Schlund


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:smithbf@... <mailto:smithbf%40auburn.edu>]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:23 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and
unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more
inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC 46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 <http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2>

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
__
/ &#92;
__<+--+>________________&#92;__/___ ________________________________
|- ______/ O O &#92;_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ |
| / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 &#92; | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||
|/_____________________________&#92;|_|________________________________|
| O--O &#92;0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

steve l <stevelucas3@...>

#85929

Claus--

The CPR had quite a few of the 46' cars.  800 straight-sided cars with a "fishbelly" underframe were built by Canadian Car and Foundry in 1937, series 300000 to 300799.  Train Shed Cyclopedia #46 has a general arrangement drawing of these cars on page 197, and a photo of CP 300053 on page 203, fig. 189.

CN had 300 46' flat cars with "fishbelly" side sills built April/May, 1929, (Swain series C-1) in the 660200 to 660499 series.

CN also had 49 46' straight side sill flat cars built in August, 1937 to the CPR design that appears in the aforementioned Train Shed Cyclopedia.  (Swain series D-1) were in the 660500-6660543 series, and (Swain series D-2) were in the 660544-660548 series.  CN data is from a CN Lines Vol. 5/3 article by Stafford Swain.  CN Lines Vol. 5/4 had an article by Stafford on modelling these cars.

Hope this helps,

Steve Lucas.

Show quoted text

--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

  -  Claus Schlund

joth1930s

#85938

Hello,

Regarding the Q. on the CPR 46' flat cars: 

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.
The CPR built 800 46' flat cars between 1929 and 1938 starting with five-hundred CCF built 300000 through 300499 (the CPSIG website has a plan of this series built in 1929).  100 more were built in 1931 in the 300500- 300599 series.  There is a photo of one of the last series of 46' cars (no. 300715) on the STMFC website which was part of the two-hundred car order built in August 1938 and numbered 300600-300799. Some cars cars of these series remained active until April 1988 having been re-numbered in 300900-300999 sereis.

Jonathan McConathy

David Sieber

#92016

Gentlemen,

Going through old STMFC postings (always fun, learn something every time), I found this topic as above. Edwin C. Kirstatter wrote: "I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and unusual size. [snip] Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?"

Several people responded with info on 45-46ft flatcars owned by C&NW, CN, CP, IC, and L&N (also TC 2701-series, but those were USRA 42-footers). I remembered that the MILW also had some of these uncommon-length flatcars, so I dug out the Richard Hendrickson article in Prototype Modeler Nov-Dec 83 on the Milwaukee's two series of 45ft9in (over strikers) flats:
- MILW 63001-63999 (odd #s only) 500 cars blt Ryan Car Co 1925
- MILW 600000-600349 350 cars blt Ryan Car Co 1929

Both series had riveted steel fishbelly underframes and side sills, with 12 pressed steel stake pockets, URECO drop brakewheels, and Dalman and Bettendorf trucks, respectively. The article included freight car diagrams for both series, but no prototype photos. Richard noted that "most of these flatcars remained in revenue service through the 1940s and 1950s, and a few were still active in the late 1960s."

He'd modeled this car by shortening an Athearn 50ft flatcar by 42 scale inches (including one stake pocket), to get a slightly long, but otherwise close representation of the prototype flatcar. The photo of his model showed a nice-looking car that would be a good use for those Athearn 50-footers that I suspect many of us have sitting idle in a blue box on a shelf somewhere. Dr. Hendrickson's early articles and WestRail conversion kits were pioneering efforts in prototype modeling that helped start the long and continuing process that has brought us to the abundance of prototypical models that we now enjoy, and he has continued to share his knowledge with us all to this day - many thanks, Richard!

Dave Sieber, Reno NV

Tim O'Connor

#92165

Speaking of MILW 46' flat cars, this web site contains quite a few images
of them converted for TOFC service. This is the first time I've seen a photo
of these converted cars. I normally wouldn't pay $15 for a photo print, but
this one may be worth it (to me).

http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvnjpeg_img_rec.php?objno=RVN24653

Tim O'Connor

Show quoted text

Going through old STMFC postings (always fun, learn something every time), I found this topic as above. Edwin C. Kirstatter wrote: "I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and unusual size. [snip] Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?"

Several people responded with info on 45-46ft flatcars owned by C&NW, CN, CP, IC, and L&N (also TC 2701-series, but those were USRA 42-footers). I remembered that the MILW also had some of these uncommon-length flatcars, so I dug out the Richard Hendrickson article in Prototype Modeler Nov-Dec 83 on the Milwaukee's two series of 45ft9in (over strikers) flats:

- MILW 63001-63999 (odd #s only) 500 cars blt Ryan Car Co 1925
- MILW 600000-600349 350 cars blt Ryan Car Co 1929

Both series had riveted steel fishbelly underframes and side sills, with 12 pressed steel stake pockets, URECO drop brakewheels, and Dalman and Bettendorf trucks, respectively. The article included freight car diagrams for both series, but no prototype photos. Richard noted that "most of these flatcars remained in revenue service through the 1940s and 1950s, and a few were still active in the late 1960s."

He'd modeled this car by shortening an Athearn 50ft flatcar by 42 scale inches (including one stake pocket), to get a slightly long, but otherwise close representation of the prototype flatcar. The photo of his model showed a nice-looking car that would be a good use for those Athearn 50-footers that I suspect many of us have sitting idle in a blue box on a shelf somewhere. Dr. Hendrickson's early articles and WestRail conversion kits were pioneering efforts in prototype modeling that helped start the long and continuing process that has brought us to the abundance of prototypical models that we now enjoy, and he has continued to share his knowledge with us all to this day - many thanks, Richard!

Dave Sieber, Reno NV

Jim Hayes

#92167

Interesting load. Four Plymouth Valiants and a Studebaker Lark.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>wrote:




Speaking of MILW 46' flat cars, this web site contains quite a few images
of them converted for TOFC service. This is the first time I've seen a
photo
of these converted cars. I normally wouldn't pay $15 for a photo print, but
this one may be worth it (to me).

http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvnjpeg_img_rec.php?objno=RVN24653

Tim O'Connor

Going through old STMFC postings (always fun, learn something every time),I found this topic as above. Edwin C. Kirstatter wrote: "I have a question
on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and unusual size. [snip] Anyone
know of any other roads that used this size?"

Several people responded with info on 45-46ft flatcars owned by C&NW, CN,CP, IC, and L&N (also TC 2701-series, but those were USRA 42-footers). I
remembered that the MILW also had some of these uncommon-length flatcars, so
I dug out the Richard Hendrickson article in Prototype Modeler Nov-Dec 83 on
the Milwaukee's two series of 45ft9in (over strikers) flats:

- MILW 63001-63999 (odd #s only) 500 cars blt Ryan Car Co 1925
- MILW 600000-600349 350 cars blt Ryan Car Co 1929

Both series had riveted steel fishbelly underframes and side sills, with12 pressed steel stake pockets, URECO drop brakewheels, and Dalman and
Bettendorf trucks, respectively. The article included freight car diagrams
for both series, but no prototype photos. Richard noted that "most of these
flatcars remained in revenue service through the 1940s and 1950s, and a few
were still active in the late 1960s."

He'd modeled this car by shortening an Athearn 50ft flatcar by 42 scaleinches (including one stake pocket), to get a slightly long, but otherwise
close representation of the prototype flatcar. The photo of his model showed
a nice-looking car that would be a good use for those Athearn 50-footers
that I suspect many of us have sitting idle in a blue box on a shelf
somewhere. Dr. Hendrickson's early articles and WestRail conversion kits
were pioneering efforts in prototype modeling that helped start the long and
continuing process that has brought us to the abundance of prototypical
models that we now enjoy, and he has continued to share his knowledge with
us all to this day - many thanks, Richard!

Dave Sieber, Reno NV

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

1 - 11 of 11

Previous Topic Next Topic

Home Hashtags Subgroups About Features Pricing Updates Terms Help Twitter