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Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc)
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milepost1 <sryn.dump@...>
Maybe I'm using the wrong keywords but I haven't had a great deal of work doing research related to small town oil storage depots in the 1930's.
In regards to this group I'm looking for some info that members might be able to point me toward. I'm interested in STANDARD OIL and the way they transported oil to their small town distributors. I know that there was a siding SPECIFICALLY for a facility which meant that the railroad brought it in. So some type of tank car was used. I've yet to find good photos and or drawings of Standard Oil cars circa 1930-40. Does this mean that Standard Oil didn't have their own fleet? If that is the case were they using a carrier? I don't know. The fact that there were multiple tanks at the facilty would suggest that there were possibly multiple products. Did they ship different products in the same tank car? (I don't know but wonder if that is why some tanks had multiple domes. (You now see a glimpse of my ignorance.) Are there good "books" on this subject? Are there drawings? (I've looked at some commercial cars but they seem to lack the same details that I've seen in 1930 era tank cars. I'm just trying to get the details right. Thanks. Gordon |
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Steve SANDIFER
You are talking about bulk oil dealers. STMFC era town of 2000 or more are not complete with them - several of them, often next to each other on the same spur. Many are still there next to tracks or abandoned right-of-way even though no longer rail served. You can Google search for pictures and find a few. There are a number on the Santa Fe website at http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Howard/index.htm.
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Eureka had 5 bulk oil dealers. Emporia had 6. ______________ J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer mailto:steve.sandifer@... Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918 Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417 ----- Original Message -----
From: milepost1 To: STMFC@... Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: [STMFC] Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc) Maybe I'm using the wrong keywords but I haven't had a great deal of work doing research related to small town oil storage depots in the 1930's. In regards to this group I'm looking for some info that members might be able to point me toward. I'm interested in STANDARD OIL and the way they transported oil to their small town distributors. I know that there was a siding SPECIFICALLY for a facility which meant that the railroad brought it in. So some type of tank car was used. I've yet to find good photos and or drawings of Standard Oil cars circa 1930-40. Does this mean that Standard Oil didn't have their own fleet? If that is the case were they using a carrier? I don't know. The fact that there were multiple tanks at the facilty would suggest that there were possibly multiple products. Did they ship different products in the same tank car? (I don't know but wonder if that is why some tanks had multiple domes. (You now see a glimpse of my ignorance.) Are there good "books" on this subject? Are there drawings? (I've looked at some commercial cars but they seem to lack the same details that I've seen in 1930 era tank cars. I'm just trying to get the details right. Thanks. Gordon |
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Standard Oil used UTLX cars - with a history of common ownership. For more on that, search the archives of the list for UTLX and look for a copy of the book Rockefeller's Secret Weapon.
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Gordon (not signing his full name) wrote:
I'm interested in STANDARD OIL and the way they transported oil to their small town distributors. I know that there was a siding SPECIFICALLY for a facility which meant that the railroad brought it in. So some type of tank car was used.Even after Standard Oil was broken up, UTL continued to supply tank cars under lease to all the "Baby Standards" around the country. The fact that there were multiple tanks at the facilty would suggest that there were possibly multiple products. Did they ship different products in the same tank car? (I don't know but wonder if that is why some tanks had multiple domes.Yes. They typically handled gasoline, kerosene, heating oil, and other petroleum products probably not shipped in tank cars (engine oil, greases, etc.). After WW II, they also handled a lot of diesel fuel, and some handled propane. Multi-compartment cars could help with low-volume products like lubricating oil, but the true bulk liquids like gasoline and heating oil were normally full carloads. I don't know if it's still available but the first volume in the Kalmbach series on "Industries Along the Tracks" had a nice article on petroleum dealers. If not for sale new, I'd bet you could find it used on the web. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Allen Rueter
The link has a stray period on the end
( http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Howard/index.htm) -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Allen Rueter wrote:
The link has a stray period on the endWell, this one returns "page not found" unless you delete the terminal parenthesis. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Gordon, a quick look at Sanborn Maps for the towns that interest you, will show the "oil jobbers" were often concentrated in one
area, strung along one track. Typically there were will be a office/storage house about 24'x24' or 24'x30', Standard Oil in the Mid-West liked stucco and hip roofs, with a concrete platform for loading packaged goods onto trucks. This platform would have two levels, with steps and a ramp for a hand truck, between the levels. There was a pump house next to the tracks, which could be as small as 6x6, which connected the unloading pipes at track side to the truck loading stand. The truck loading stand would have a filler pipe for each bulk product handled: ie gasoline, diesel, distillate, kerosene, fuel oil, usually an hope structure with just a roof. Then you would have the storage tanks, vertical or horizontal, typically 3-5 tanks. Again a tank for each bulk product handled. All pipes, valve handles, etc (sometimes even the tanks) were color coded. But the colors varied among the companies. Today we like to think of red as gasoline, green as diesel, white as kerosene, etc. But this code was no universal. Standard Oil was forced to break up via anti-trust laws, and sold their fleet of tank cars to UTL, which were plain black tank cars with minimal lettering. In HO: Grandt Line has a very nice oil jobber kit based upon a Conoco oil jobber in Colorado with elements from California, ie their oil storage building. Walthers also sells their "Interstate Fuel" kit which is a more generic oil jobber, with the Quonset hut storage building. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org |
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LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
Did Atlantic Refining also use UTLX cars? From what little history I could find, Atlantic was a "hidden" subsidiary of Standard at the beginning of the 20th century.
Lou Whiteley Lawrenceville, NJ ________________________________ From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:35:52 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc) Gordon (not signing his full name) wrote: I'm interested in STANDARD OIL and the way they transported oil toEven after Standard Oil was broken up, UTL continued to supply tank cars under lease to all the "Baby Standards" around the country. The fact that there were multiple tanks at the facilty would suggestYes. They typically handled gasoline, kerosene, heating oil, and other petroleum products probably not shipped in tank cars (engine oil, greases, etc.). After WW II, they also handled a lot of diesel fuel, and some handled propane. Multi-compartment cars could help with low-volume products like lubricating oil, but the true bulk liquids like gasoline and heating oil were normally full carloads. I don't know if it's still available but the first volume in the Kalmbach series on "Industries Along the Tracks" had a nice article on petroleum dealers. If not for sale new, I'd bet you could find it used on the web. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
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From: Anthony Thompson The link has a stray period on the endWell, this one returns "page not found" unless you delete the terminal parenthesis. ----- Original Message ----- That's what I got with the original, the revised one is fine. Browser??? KL |
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steve l <stevelucas3@...>
This was not confined to the US. Lindsay, Ontario, a town of about 7,000 in 1956, had eight bulk oil dealers. Imperial (Esso's Canadian licencee), Supertest, and White Rose (Canadian Oil Co.) all shared a single spur track and a town block for their facilities. Next block on the same spur, a coal dealer was located.
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Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@..., <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
LOUIS WHITELEY wrote:
Did Atlantic Refining also use UTLX cars? From what little history I could find, Atlantic was a "hidden" subsidiary of Standard at the beginning of the 20th century.Maybe. There were a number of apparently independent oil companies in that era which actually had hidden ownership, partial or complete, by Standard. But in those days, to use UTLX tank cars would have "blown their cover" immediately, as in that time no one else used UTL equipment. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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sfeforever
You mean not complete "without" them don't you ?
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Jared Harper
On Santa Fe's Alma branch Burlingame had about 2,000 people in the 1940s and three bulk oil jobbers. Eskridge with a population of about 550 had three. Alma with about 1200 people had two oil jobbers in the 1940s and four fuel suppliers by 1950.
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Jared Harper Athens, GA --- In STMFC@..., <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
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Steve SANDIFER
without, yes without. I have 3 in one town, two in another.
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---------------------------------------------------------------- J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer mailto:steve.sandifer@... Home: 12027 Mulholland Dr., Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918 Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417 Personal: http://www.geocities.com/stevesandifer2000/index Church: http://www.swcentral.org ----- Original Message -----
From: sfeforever To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc) You mean not complete "without" them don't you ? --- In STMFC@..., <steve.sandifer@...> wrote: > > You are talking about bulk oil dealers. STMFC era town of 2000 or more are not complete with them - several of them, often next to each other on the same spur. Many are still there next to tracks or abandoned right-of-way even though no longer rail served. You can Google search for pictures and find a few. There are a number on the Santa Fe website at http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Howard/index.htm. > Eureka had 5 bulk oil dealers. Emporia had 6. > > ______________ > J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer > mailto:steve.sandifer@... > Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918 > Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: milepost1 > To: STMFC@... > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:15 PM > Subject: [STMFC] Oil industry info sought (steam era- tank cars etc) > > > Maybe I'm using the wrong keywords but I haven't had a great deal of work doing research related to small town oil storage depots in the 1930's. > > In regards to this group I'm looking for some info that members might be able to point me toward. > > I'm interested in STANDARD OIL and the way they transported oil to their small town distributors. I know that there was a siding SPECIFICALLY for a facility which meant that the railroad brought it in. So some type of tank car was used. > > I've yet to find good photos and or drawings of Standard Oil cars circa 1930-40. Does this mean that Standard Oil didn't have their own fleet? If that is the case were they using a carrier? I don't know. > > The fact that there were multiple tanks at the facilty would suggest that there were possibly multiple products. Did they ship different products in the same tank car? (I don't know but wonder if that is why some tanks had multiple domes. (You now see a glimpse of my ignorance.) > > Are there good "books" on this subject? > Are there drawings? (I've looked at some commercial cars but they seem to lack the same details that I've seen in 1930 era tank cars. > > I'm just trying to get the details right. > > Thanks. > > Gordon > > > > > > > |
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