I have a couple of P2K tank cars (8,000 gallons) to build, and was thinking they might be a good way to show off the Tahoe arch bar trucks, with semi-scale wheels. These are in the UTLX 77,000-series, but they say "built 5-20", so I don't know whether they were built with arch bars or had cast sideframe trucks. If not, would any other commonly available tank cars have been delivered with arch bars? I model prior to the 1940 arch bar ban, of course.

Dean Payne

Dean: Kaminski's ACF tank car book shows numerous ACF Type 21's on archbars.
One model that I know P2k did was SUN OILS. However, I believe the UTLX cars
were acquired second hand when UTLX purchased other fleets, later in life so
I don't know if they would still have had arch bars then. Heck the UTLX car
you have could actually be out of your era since you model pre-40. I am sure
Richard Hendrickson will have more information.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



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I have a couple of P2K tank cars (8,000 gallons) to build, and was thinking
they might be a good way to show off the Tahoe arch bar trucks, with
semi-scale wheels. These are in the UTLX 77,000-series, but they say "built
5-20", so I don't know whether they were built with arch bars or had cast
sideframe trucks. If not, would any other commonly available tank cars have
been delivered with arch bars? I model prior to the 1940 arch bar ban, of
course.

Dean Payne

On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Dean wrote:

I have a couple of P2K tank cars (8,000 gallons) to build, and was
thinking they might be a good way to show off the Tahoe arch bar
trucks, with semi-scale wheels. These are in the UTLX 77,000-
series, but they say "built 5-20", so I don't know whether they
were built with arch bars or had cast sideframe trucks. If not,
would any other commonly available tank cars have been delivered
with arch bars? I model prior to the 1940 arch bar ban, of course.

Dean, no 8K gal. AC&F Type 21s were built new for UTL, so the cars in
the 77000 series were acquired second hand. They were on the UTL
roster as early as 10/38, so you're okay there, but not knowing who
the original owner was, there's no way to know what trucks they were
delivered with. UTL began in the early 1920s ordering new cars first
with Andrews and later with ARA cast steel trucks, and later photos
of UTL cars which arrived with Arch Bar trucks show them as also
being equipped with either Andrews or ARA trucks, so UTL apparently
phased out Arch Bar trucks quite early. The only photos I know of
their 8K gal. Type 21s date from the late 1950s and 1960s, and by
that time, of course, they had ARA trucks. So I can't say for sure
whether they originally had Arch Bars, or - if they did - whether
they would still have had them in the 1930s, but I think the odds are
against it. Certainly some Type 21s were delivered to other owners
with Arch Bars, but most were built with ARA trucks.


Richard Hendrickson

The only 10K type 21 car I have is SUN OILS! And... it's already built! (One of Life's Little Victories) I'll have to make the truck swap pronto! I'll also need to backdate to K brakes, so I'm not done yet... Then I can think about starting on the UTLX cars.
Thanks!

Dean Payne

One additional point, the SUN OILS car on page 101 of Kaminski's book is a
10k car (should have noted that) The reporting marks are DR&U RR, Delaware
River and Union RR built 1923. I have no idea how long the DR&U reporting
marks lasted.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:13 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?





The only 10K type 21 car I have is SUN OILS! And... it's already built! (One
of Life's Little Victories) I'll have to make the truck swap pronto! I'll
also need to backdate to K brakes, so I'm not done yet... Then I can think
about starting on the UTLX cars.
Thanks!

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Brian J
Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Dean: Kaminski's ACF tank car book shows numerous ACF Type 21's on

archbars.

One model that I know P2k did was SUN OILS. However, I believe the UTLX

cars

were acquired second hand when UTLX purchased other fleets, later in life

so

I don't know if they would still have had arch bars then. Heck the UTLX

car

you have could actually be out of your era since you model pre-40. I am

sure

Richard Hendrickson will have more information.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



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Of Dean

Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:02 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?





I have a couple of P2K tank cars (8,000 gallons) to build, and was

thinking

they might be a good way to show off the Tahoe arch bar trucks, with
semi-scale wheels. These are in the UTLX 77,000-series, but they say

"built

5-20", so I don't know whether they were built with arch bars or had cast
sideframe trucks. If not, would any other commonly available tank cars

have

been delivered with arch bars? I model prior to the 1940 arch bar ban, of
course.

Dean Payne

On Oct 26, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

One additional point, the SUN OILS car on page 101 of Kaminski's
book is a
10k car (should have noted that) The reporting marks are DR&U RR,
Delaware
River and Union RR built 1923. I have no idea how long the DR&U
reporting
marks lasted.

At least through mid-1926, but changed to SUNX by 3/28.


Richard Hendrickson