Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta


Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

"pierreoliver2003" pierre.oliver@sympatico.ca pierreoliver2003
Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:35 am (PST)

Pierre Oliver writes-


I've built 3 [vinegar car kits] to date....

Now, there might be someone's definition of true masochism!

As you've yet to install the handrail I would suggest that you look
at the PSC tank car stanchions rather than the cast units in the
kit. The cast ones ones are brutally oversize as are the elbow
castings for the corners.
Pierre, that is exactly my plan. The PSC (#32110) stanchions are
pretty precise, enough IMHO to overcome the fact that they are a
totally different article than those cast resin stanchions in the kit
that supposedly replicate the prototype. I am also using PSC's 90º
pipe elbows.

I had presumed that I had the stanchions in inventory (left over from
a previous project), but I did not- nor do any of the larger hobby
shops from which I have made inquiry. When I talked to PSC directly,
they mentioned that these stanchions have become a very popular item,
which I would chalk up to the current high hobby interest in tank
cars. Caboose Hobbies told me the same thing.

These small PSC items become pretty pricey when one factors in PSC's
$30 minimum mail order charge (shipping still extra!).

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento







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Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

I am also using PSC's 90�
pipe elbows.

Denny, I am curious what you are going to use them for, the handrail around the tank?

Ned Carey


Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Ned Carey inquires-

>> I am also using PSC's 90º
>>pipe elbows.

Denny, I am curious what you are going to use them for, the handrail
around
the tank?
Yes. I have not done exactly this before, but I have always thought
that this (handrail pipe elbows at corners) is a pretty obvious but
overlooked detail on tank cars that also just happens to be right in
full view. I have these elbows remaining from a previous brass
locomotive project, so can try it out. Sunshine actually includes
cast resin elbows in the kit just for this purpose, but they are
pretty oversized.

I may be coming too picky.

Ned Carey
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Denny Anspach wrote:
I had presumed that I had the stanchions in inventory (left over from a previous project), but I did not- nor do any of the larger hobby shops from which I have made inquiry. When I talked to PSC directly, they mentioned that these stanchions have become a very popular item, which I would chalk up to the current high hobby interest in tank cars. Caboose Hobbies told me the same thing.
Maybe you should do what I did--buy a bulk order of the PSC stanchions and divide the order with friends. In fact I could conceivably be partly responsible for the "popularity" <g> -- along with certain kit manufacturers.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Tim O'Connor
 

Can someone post a photo of the PSC #32110 stanchions to the
photos area? Also a photo of the PSC brake line brackets (#??)

Denny once posted some shots showing the brackets but they are
very small and I can't really make out the bracket design.

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.

Tim O'Connor

Pierre, that is exactly my plan. The PSC (#32110) stanchions are
pretty precise, enough IMHO to overcome the fact that they are a
totally different article than those cast resin stanchions in the kit
that supposedly replicate the prototype. I am also using PSC's 90�
pipe elbows.

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,
 
         These are the kits that require prescription meds.
 
Viagra --------- to keep your neck straight while manipulating small parts.
 
Prosac --------- to maintain a joyful attitude toward the project.
 
Valium ----------to relax once you put the tweezers down.
 
Thorazine ------to keep you quiet the rest of the night.
 
Failing to have the above items; try something about 120 proof before bed. That way you won't scare the family by swearing in your sleep. After 50 years of building railroad equipment my wife is certain I need all of the above, and a bigger magnifier to look throiugh.
 
Fred Freitas
dealing with resin disorder weekly

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:50 PM


 




Can someone post a photo of the PSC #32110 stanchions to the
photos area? Also a photo of the PSC brake line brackets (#??)

Denny once posted some shots showing the brackets but they are
very small and I can't really make out the bracket design.

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.

Tim O'Connor

Pierre, that is exactly my plan. The PSC (#32110) stanchions are
pretty precise, enough IMHO to overcome the fact that they are a
totally different article than those cast resin stanchions in the kit
that supposedly replicate the prototype. I am also using PSC's 90º
pipe elbows.

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Tim O'Connor writes-

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.
If I am not mistaken, Southern C&F uses the Tichy stanchions- which do
really look nice-, but also seem to be available only in Tichy's Tank
Car Set (formerly Gould). These Tichy stanchions are similar to that
provided with the Vinegar Tank Car kit, while the PSC stanchions have
a slightly longer mounting flange with high relief rivet detailing.

However, the wall thickness of encircling pipe holders are as
follows: 1) Sunshine Vinegar Tank: c. 2.5"; 2) Tichy c. 2.0"; and 3)
PSC 1-1/2". The rivet/bolt detailing on the PSC is superior, with the
Tichy only very slightly behind. The Sunshine stanchions are cookie
cutter plain.

I am sticking with the PSC -lovely parts.

Now (*now*)- and this is new wrinkle just noted on the photos enclosed
with this ever-challenging car kit: None of the handrail stanchions
along the sides of the car are actually mounted on the tank directly.
They are instead all bolted directly on to strategically placed rod
tighteners with plain pipe holders of stanchions that look like none
of the above! Of course, there is no note of this in the directions;
Although -with thought- such mounting makes sense, now -again, within
sight of completion, the kit builder faces yet another unexpected
demand on time, ingenuity, and the drive to replicate the prototype.

Right now, my inclination is to look into mounting the stanchions on
the bands securing the tank to the frame- certainly a common stanchion
mount location on more numerous and less exotic tank cars.

I will see what I might be able to do with parts photos. No promises.

Denny



Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Tim O'Connor
 

There are several types of eye bolts (wire & cast) that probably
could be "kitbashed" if needed to simulate various types of pipe
hangers that are not available.

I know some folks have griped about the size of DA eye bolts but
I actually have several different sizes from very small to rather
large -- and I think they're all DA parts. This is a big advantage
to buying from a hobby shop where you can look before you buy. :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 11/6/2009 05:34 PM Friday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor writes-

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.
If I am not mistaken, Southern C&F uses the Tichy stanchions- which do
really look nice-, but also seem to be available only in Tichy's Tank
Car Set (formerly Gould). These Tichy stanchions are similar to that
provided with the Vinegar Tank Car kit, while the PSC stanchions have
a slightly longer mounting flange with high relief rivet detailing.

However, the wall thickness of encircling pipe holders are as
follows: 1) Sunshine Vinegar Tank: c. 2.5"; 2) Tichy c. 2.0"; and 3)
PSC 1-1/2". The rivet/bolt detailing on the PSC is superior, with the
Tichy only very slightly behind. The Sunshine stanchions are cookie
cutter plain.

I am sticking with the PSC -lovely parts.

Now (*now*)- and this is new wrinkle just noted on the photos enclosed
with this ever-challenging car kit: None of the handrail stanchions
along the sides of the car are actually mounted on the tank directly.
They are instead all bolted directly on to strategically placed rod
tighteners with plain pipe holders of stanchions that look like none
of the above! Of course, there is no note of this in the directions;
Although -with thought- such mounting makes sense, now -again, within
sight of completion, the kit builder faces yet another unexpected
demand on time, ingenuity, and the drive to replicate the prototype.

Right now, my inclination is to look into mounting the stanchions on
the bands securing the tank to the frame- certainly a common stanchion
mount location on more numerous and less exotic tank cars.

I will see what I might be able to do with parts photos. No promises.

Denny


Schuyler Larrabee
 

PSC has a ridiculously extensive line of eyebolts in a vast range of identified sizes.

SGL

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta




There are several types of eye bolts (wire & cast) that probably
could be "kitbashed" if needed to simulate various types of pipe
hangers that are not available.

I know some folks have griped about the size of DA eye bolts but
I actually have several different sizes from very small to rather
large -- and I think they're all DA parts. This is a big advantage
to buying from a hobby shop where you can look before you buy. :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 11/6/2009 05:34 PM Friday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor writes-

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.
If I am not mistaken, Southern C&F uses the Tichy stanchions- which do
really look nice-, but also seem to be available only in Tichy's Tank
Car Set (formerly Gould). These Tichy stanchions are similar to that
provided with the Vinegar Tank Car kit, while the PSC stanchions have
a slightly longer mounting flange with high relief rivet detailing.

However, the wall thickness of encircling pipe holders are as
follows: 1) Sunshine Vinegar Tank: c. 2.5"; 2) Tichy c. 2.0"; and 3)
PSC 1-1/2". The rivet/bolt detailing on the PSC is superior, with the
Tichy only very slightly behind. The Sunshine stanchions are cookie
cutter plain.

I am sticking with the PSC -lovely parts.

Now (*now*)- and this is new wrinkle just noted on the photos enclosed
with this ever-challenging car kit: None of the handrail stanchions
along the sides of the car are actually mounted on the tank directly.
They are instead all bolted directly on to strategically placed rod
tighteners with plain pipe holders of stanchions that look like none
of the above! Of course, there is no note of this in the directions;
Although -with thought- such mounting makes sense, now -again, within
sight of completion, the kit builder faces yet another unexpected
demand on time, ingenuity, and the drive to replicate the prototype.

Right now, my inclination is to look into mounting the stanchions on
the bands securing the tank to the frame- certainly a common stanchion
mount location on more numerous and less exotic tank cars.

I will see what I might be able to do with parts photos. No promises.

Denny







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